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1. We know Gun Free Zones are "Soft Targets" We need to harden and armor those targets to make it very dangerous for any serial shooter to ply their murderous trade within, until we can remove gun free zones
2. We need to have "Shooter Drills" in schools to set 'Workable' procedures to protect innocent lives. All First Responders Police, Fire,Ambulance, need to be an integral part of setting up and overseeing these drills from initial alerts, to All Clear notifications.
3. We need to have volunteers on School and other Gun Free Zone Staffs become Psych evaluated similar to what police go through, Trained in Firearm Laws and Proficiency, and trained to interdict potential shooters to stop them before shooting starts or use deadly force on them if they start shooting.
4. We also need to train and equip other staff personnel to use Less-Than-Lethal devices like Stun Guns, Tasers, Military Grade Pepper Sprays while they are at work.
5. We must allow the public to have access to non-lethal devices like 18% Oleoresin Pepper Sprays, Stun Guns, Intermittent/Limited Shock Time Taser Devices, etc.
6.We need to set up minimum standards for ALL policing agencies on how to respond to information of troubled individuals, This would entail a Definitive set of immutable rules and procedures designed to find potential shooters.
7. In conjunction with #6, We must carefully study what is common among the shooters of the past, and use that as a starting point to figure out all the other constants and causative factors, contributing to the psychological/mental problems of Young/Serial Shooters.
8. We need to have an immutable set of guidelines the politicians can never hijack (preferably in a Constitutional Amendment Form) to determine when interventions can be conducted without hurting others Constitutional Rights, and not just 2nd Amendment rights. At least 3/4 of the public must agree to this for it to become valid.
9. We need to return to the time when Gun Safety and Gun Responsibility was taught in schools starting in kindergarten and going on through higher education. It must be mandatory and non-political  in nature.
10. We must re-evaluate how the MSM presents information on shootings so they don't sensationalize reports, nor exaggerate/propagandize reports to help insure those reports will not create copy cat shooters. The Reports must also be technically correct in ALL aspects. Remember the 1st Amendment does not cover falsehoods or outright lies.
We MUST Do Something, Lets start here.
M

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M,
Everything you wrote makes perfect sense. Except item 10, the last one.

You suggest that we must do something about MSM “so they don’t sensationalize reports, nor exaggerate/propoganize” them. I submit that this is IMPOSSIBLE. MSM have for decades and will continue for decades to sensationlize and distort news to suit their own ends. The reporters may correctly report, but those who write the articles and opinion pieces will go out of their way to construct fake narratives to promote their own agenda. Reality doesn’t matter to them.

Take this simple verity: “the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun”. The liberal folllowers are too intellectually dense to understand it. They just parrot the talking points of those who control their minds: no, no, they say, let’s do it simpler - let’s make sure the bad guys can’t get guns. How? Oh, outlaw them, or at least regulate them. So, a reasonable person answers - the good guys (the vast majority of this nation) will have to give up their rights just to effect your suggestion? No, no, they leftes will backtrack, only those declared mentally unstable will be denied guns. And the same reasonable man asks: and who will declare them mentally unstable? A government hired shrink who has been paid to declare them unstable? Many lefties will then deride the reasonable man for not having enough faith in the government. That’s true, answers the reasonable man, I do not have that kind of faith in the government.

Thus the conversation continues, and the innocents get shot.

On the practical side? I think President Trump is doing the right thing now. Knowing how angry the survivors are (and they rightfully are), he listens. He allows them to vent their frustrations. Then he proposes introducing the “good guy with a gun”, properfly trained of course, to protect the innocents from the “bad guy with a gun”. He tries to convince those assembled that that’s the best way to reduce future deaths by guns. That would be so effective. Imagine a crazy enters the school and starts shooting, In a minute or so, bullets start flying his way. I submit that only a trained soldier would’t panic in such situation; the shooter wiil. Lives will be saved. And future would-be killers will know that. And many more will be saved when a potential copy cat gets to scared to become one.

What your wrote M, fleshes out the simple proposal of good vs. bad guy. As I said, all makes sense except your suggestion that somehow MSM can be tamed or corrected. Their main goal in life is to control people, not to save their lives.

Marrand, MSM is a profit based business. If we cut into their profits substantially over their penchant to sensationalize and falsify or not know the pertinent facts, they will fall in line as their profit margin declines and conservative news profits begin climbing. In actuality the MSM is NOT Promoting gun Control. They like all the previous Socilist Dictatorships have done before them, are Promoting "People Control".

M,

"People Control" of course. That's what I have been repeating when I talk about liberals.

But I disagree with upi about cutting into the profits of such giant fake narrative factories, like NYT, WashPost, ABC, NBC, CBS. CNN. They have almost a religious commitment to liberal/progressive agenda, and are very adept in getting funds from the upper 1%. They have a wide folloing of sheep who blindly repeat their talking point. You see, there is a certain charm and attraction for top politicians and elites in media and academia to control what people think and do...and say. The power to control is intoxicating; they can't go cold turkey. They will risk losing some profits just to keep that power.

All points - good suggestions, especially 6 & 7..

However, when it comes to students or former students we need to know why. Bullying, being left out of groups, and even teachers who handle a child's mistake or behavior without understanding what is really going on. That is a key, at least for those who return to cause terror at their previous school.

We had issues in school, so did I. But none of the issues ever got to the point that kids are now exposed to. I wasn't one to mix in with others, only when they did something to me - like taking my jacket and throwing it over the fence. (That kid was a first grader as was I, and he ended up with a broken tooth after someone punched him in the mouth. My mom got called on that one.)

Now if a kid trys to fight back, or get out of a situation, well they get the brunt of the punishment. (Not the one who started it - you know, like in Football. ) So what can be done for these issues and just how can we prevent a child from being bullied and ignored for many years, without finding a way to help.  I have no ideas on that.  My way wouldn't work now. I was and still am very small less than 5' , but I also wouldn't back down.  Let a child do that now? Principal's office, or worse.   

Any ideas on solving this dilemma? 

On the play grounds, always some adult is there, but later in high school, what then. And of course, in the school shuffle from classroom to classroom.  

Missed one other thought. Had our Thanksgiving at our house and our granddaughter, husband and their children came.. They have 2 small girls, and one on the way. One child is 3, the other 4. After dinner, my husband, Joel and Jordan sat at the kitchen table talking and making plans about fishing.  But, both Jordan, Joel and both little girls held game tablets. Joel usually checks his phone because of his job, Jordan was playing a game, and the 2 little girls had their own Gameboys, or whatever they were.

That is something I find a big problem. Do all of these kids spend way too much time on games and stuff like that so they do not relate to others? Just a thought.

That would come under #7 Virginia.Those guidelines are basically generic not specific.

Source; https://www.yahoo.com/news/nra-chief-wayne-lapierre-fbi-183540808.html

This article needs to be reviewed by both sides of the gun argument. Implementing it could save many lives.

SynopsisIn 1974, Palestinian terrorists took over the Netiv Meir Elementary School in what has been called the “Ma’alot Massacre,” which left 22 children dead and many others injured.

The attack forced Israel to come up with a solution in order to prevent such a situation from ever happening again. The nation requires its schools to have a security system, and that policy is still going strong after 40 years.

The results are clearly evident, as there have only been two successful attacks at Israeli schools since 1974, according to Dr. Ted Noel, writing in American Thinker. Noel wrote that “in both cases, the bad guys were killed by armed teachers.”

According to Red State, Israel’s Ministry of Education funds school security, which ranges from shelters and fences to armed and trained guards at every gate.

“The Israelis saw this and got busy,” Noel wrote. “They knew that the vast majority of terror attacks are stopped not by police, but by armed civilians.”

“So they started training teachers in firearms use,” he added. “Those teachers took out the bad guys in the two incidents since the Ma’alot Massacre.”

Noel wrote that once a shooter is no longer in a “free fire zone,” the situation — and the possible outcome — is likely to change, as he becomes a potential target.“On top of that, he doesn’t know which of the staff might be ready to shoot, or where they might be coming from,” Noel said. “In short, only an idiot would try to shoot up a school with a trained staff of shooters.”

RELATED:“Since the awful Our Lady of the Angels elementary school fire of 1958, which killed 92 students and 3 nuns, there has not been a large casualty school fire in America,” Cortes wrote. “Why? Because we took myriad precautions since then: better fire exits, more extinguishers and sprinklers, routine fire drills, etc.”“Water squelches a fire,” he added. “And only a gunman, I would argue, can stop another gunman.”

Agreed; however, Israel has more of a terrorist problem, not individuals lost in their minds. So, as you referred to in your line 7, America also needs to address the mental and emotional atmosphere in schools, after school and in the homes. Somehow!  Security absolutely, and Israel has that part right.  Security first, arm and secure our kids. Next try to address the mental, emotional issues.  

Virginia,

You speak of a Terrorist Problem in Israel being worse than here. The estimates for gun free zone shootings since Columbine to the present rund from 64 to 108 depending on who you cite. That is a terrorist problem, Domestic Terrorist that is. Im think the Israeli system needs to be initiated in America as a stop gap measure until we can correct the Causative factors that create youthful and other serial shooters. Way too much is unknown about those causes at present. We must be open to anything and everything that can be proven a cause factor then work to eliminate those factors.I suspect a few factors, but I don't have a clue to ALL of them. I believe Nobody does yet.

Talking about Israel and how they have fought terrorism since they were created as a nation, I did not mention their problem was worse than ours, just that they have been fighting it for so long.I mentioned Israel's progress because of their needs. And yes, we as a nation, also have an inbred terrorism culture in addition to the mental and emotional violence. America needs to push forward to secure our schools from both. Secure our schools and Israel does seem to have a very good example of what can work.  

You are correct, no one knows really knows what sparks a change in a person to become a killer. For example, I'm sure you've heard of the 2 girls who tried to kill another, because of a movie character - slender man - here in Wisconsin. Now both will spend most of their lives in a mental health facility. The girl attacked was hoping to make friends, instead she was beaten, stabbed and almost killed. Two girls, one more dominant, one a follower, and the victim, one who wanted to have friends.  

Both M and Virginia make sense to me on the issue of guns. Sure, our problems here are different from those in Israel, but the overall approaches to solve them are similar. As Trump implied, those who come to our schools to harm our children, will have to face our bullets first.

But I disagree with Virginia about addressing the mental, emotional issues. This immediately brings up proposals for shrinks to make judgements and pronouncements who is mentally unstable and who is not. Would YOU allow your life and future be determined by a psychologist hired by the government? Would you??? You want to worry about proving yourself sane? Sane enough to satisfy the shrink?

No Virginia, I worry about this part, even though Trump brought it up too. Sure, the shooter in Florida case would be pronounced insane, but we didn't even need that - there were plenty of complaints about him and aberrations in his behavior for the feds to visit him, find his weapons, and then remove them. If the FBI had done their job, no shrinks would be needed, at least not for the purpose of protecting our kids.

Marrand, see # 8, It would originate a set of guidelines the public agreed on and would have to be set in Amendment form to prevent Politicians and others from changing them. It would also be the only guidelines the Psychologists could use. Even then they would have to be loaded down with safeguards.

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