"How Many Illegals, Refugees and Addicts Can We Afford?” - We The People USA2024-03-29T08:54:57Zhttps://wethepeopleusa.ning.com/forum/topics/how-many-illegals-refugees-and-addicts-can-we-afford?commentId=2482704%3AComment%3A263937&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noyou asked a question and I fe…tag:wethepeopleusa.ning.com,2017-02-17:2482704:Comment:2639372017-02-17T01:13:09.650Zjack ludwighttps://wethepeopleusa.ning.com/profile/jackludwig
<p>you asked a question and I felt compelled to respond!</p>
<p>you asked a question and I felt compelled to respond!</p> tag:wethepeopleusa.ning.com,2017-02-16:2482704:Comment:2642062017-02-16T21:36:05.475Zkevin kiernanhttps://wethepeopleusa.ning.com/profile/kevinkiernan
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Well M and aga…tag:wethepeopleusa.ning.com,2017-02-15:2482704:Comment:2639142017-02-15T00:50:30.751ZThomas Vincent Coffeyhttps://wethepeopleusa.ning.com/profile/ThomasVincentCoffey
<p>Hmmm..........</p>
<p>Well M and again w/respect; we part company over your assertion that Jefferson's mind was superior that that of the ancients you named who, as you know, were the founders of Western Civilization.</p>
<p>Rather, I suggest that we Americans would be far better served by more introspection and reflection on our heritage from the past and less braggadocio that "We are the greatest" because some ignorant lout insisted so.</p>
<p>Cold reality is that we are a tad past 200…</p>
<p>Hmmm..........</p>
<p>Well M and again w/respect; we part company over your assertion that Jefferson's mind was superior that that of the ancients you named who, as you know, were the founders of Western Civilization.</p>
<p>Rather, I suggest that we Americans would be far better served by more introspection and reflection on our heritage from the past and less braggadocio that "We are the greatest" because some ignorant lout insisted so.</p>
<p>Cold reality is that we are a tad past 200 years as a nation -state.</p>
<p></p> if they were Hank, why would…tag:wethepeopleusa.ning.com,2017-02-14:2482704:Comment:2639072017-02-14T18:52:55.406Zjack ludwighttps://wethepeopleusa.ning.com/profile/jackludwig
<p>if they were Hank, why would that matter to you?</p>
<p>if they were Hank, why would that matter to you?</p> Thomas what Jefferson wrote a…tag:wethepeopleusa.ning.com,2017-02-14:2482704:Comment:2639062017-02-14T18:51:54.242Zjack ludwighttps://wethepeopleusa.ning.com/profile/jackludwig
<p>Thomas what Jefferson wrote and Plato asserted has no relevance to our constitution. In America we live by one set of rules which is defined by the constitution. If you think the constitution does not fit your needs you need to gather enough like minded supporters and change our system or I suppose you could find another place to live that has a government system that suits your needs. I don't feel that is a conceited view, every country must have a consistent standard or there will be…</p>
<p>Thomas what Jefferson wrote and Plato asserted has no relevance to our constitution. In America we live by one set of rules which is defined by the constitution. If you think the constitution does not fit your needs you need to gather enough like minded supporters and change our system or I suppose you could find another place to live that has a government system that suits your needs. I don't feel that is a conceited view, every country must have a consistent standard or there will be chaos. </p> Thomas,
That does not differ…tag:wethepeopleusa.ning.com,2017-02-14:2482704:Comment:2639052017-02-14T17:26:41.786ZMhttps://wethepeopleusa.ning.com/profile/McFixit1
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<p>That does not differ significantly from what I said. Besides I do not consider Jefferson an inferior mind because he did have a classical education replete with knowledge of Plato, Cato, Aristotle, Archimedes,Pythagoras, <span>Heraclitus, <span>Parmenides,<span>Socrates, </span></span></span>and the rest of the classical world. Standing on their shoulders, I consider him to be a superior mind to theirs because of the vast amount of Classical Philosophies he drew from. Today we…</p>
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<p>That does not differ significantly from what I said. Besides I do not consider Jefferson an inferior mind because he did have a classical education replete with knowledge of Plato, Cato, Aristotle, Archimedes,Pythagoras, <span>Heraclitus, <span>Parmenides,<span>Socrates, </span></span></span>and the rest of the classical world. Standing on their shoulders, I consider him to be a superior mind to theirs because of the vast amount of Classical Philosophies he drew from. Today we can research right on through to John Stuart Mill as far as political philosophies go and still modify them and him with the ideologies of the Founding Fathers. Nothing is static. When this Paradigm ends and the next one begins, nothing will be the same as it is now. Just like nothing is the same as the Paradigm that created Socrates and Aristotle, or the paradigms that formed people like Immanuel Kant or even Karl Marx. We have our current paradigm and it is now in a transitional period. I only barely perceive through a sheet of greased paper so to speak as to what it will turn out to be. One last thing, both Static and Dynamic are two edged swords, the direction they take depends on who is wielding them, and the agendas they are being wielded for.</p> M. w/respect which I mean; wh…tag:wethepeopleusa.ning.com,2017-02-14:2482704:Comment:2641762017-02-14T16:46:11.204ZThomas Vincent Coffeyhttps://wethepeopleusa.ning.com/profile/ThomasVincentCoffey
<p>M. w/respect which I mean; when one has to explain and rationalize a comment, one has already lost the argument.</p>
<p>For me, Jefferson's words speak for themselves. He lived during an era when the insidious nostrums of the French Enlightenment were all the rage among intellectuals, particularly egalitarianism.</p>
<p>In my judgement, Plato, the superior mind, understood creation as a transformative event that fostered infinite diversity and potential; the antithesis of sameness; while…</p>
<p>M. w/respect which I mean; when one has to explain and rationalize a comment, one has already lost the argument.</p>
<p>For me, Jefferson's words speak for themselves. He lived during an era when the insidious nostrums of the French Enlightenment were all the rage among intellectuals, particularly egalitarianism.</p>
<p>In my judgement, Plato, the superior mind, understood creation as a transformative event that fostered infinite diversity and potential; the antithesis of sameness; while Jefferson, the inferior mind, perceived sameness as a virtue fostering unity.</p>
<p>In a phrase, its the ageless dichotomy between the dynamic and the static.</p> Actually Thomas,
Jefferson wa…tag:wethepeopleusa.ning.com,2017-02-14:2482704:Comment:2639852017-02-14T14:36:10.748ZMhttps://wethepeopleusa.ning.com/profile/McFixit1
<p>Actually Thomas,</p>
<p>Jefferson was speaking about equal treatment under Laws and Governments and in the sight of God the Creator, also the right to be heard as an individual with equal respect compared to others. Plato was talking about individuals,Individual capabilities, individual potential, and individual abilities. Therefore I think you are comparing Apples and Oranges</p>
<p>Actually Thomas,</p>
<p>Jefferson was speaking about equal treatment under Laws and Governments and in the sight of God the Creator, also the right to be heard as an individual with equal respect compared to others. Plato was talking about individuals,Individual capabilities, individual potential, and individual abilities. Therefore I think you are comparing Apples and Oranges</p> Yes Hank Whites are the mino…tag:wethepeopleusa.ning.com,2017-02-14:2482704:Comment:2639022017-02-14T14:30:13.179ZMhttps://wethepeopleusa.ning.com/profile/McFixit1
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<p>Yes Hank Whites are the minority;…</p>
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<p>Yes Hank Whites are the minority;</p>
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<p>Ah, the conceit of someone oblivious to reality. How predictable! Apparently if it ain't in our 'Constitution' it's worthless. Hmm?</p>
<p>In 1783 Jefferson wrote 'All Men are created equal', a linchpin of the thinking of the Enlightenment.</p>
<p>Two thousand years earlier, in his Republic, Plato asserted that all Men are unequal, their 'soul 'being their unique differentiating characteristic, which is why we have never replicated Michelangelo and/or Mozart.</p>
<p>That moderns believe…</p>
<p>Ah, the conceit of someone oblivious to reality. How predictable! Apparently if it ain't in our 'Constitution' it's worthless. Hmm?</p>
<p>In 1783 Jefferson wrote 'All Men are created equal', a linchpin of the thinking of the Enlightenment.</p>
<p>Two thousand years earlier, in his Republic, Plato asserted that all Men are unequal, their 'soul 'being their unique differentiating characteristic, which is why we have never replicated Michelangelo and/or Mozart.</p>
<p>That moderns believe Jefferson to be correct is beyond embarrassing. </p>
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