Comments - WHY WE NEED AN ARTICLE V CONVENTION OF STATES AND WHAT IT COULD ACCOMPLISH Part-2 - We The People USA2024-03-28T22:29:57Zhttps://wethepeopleusa.ning.com/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=2482704%3ABlogPost%3A272952&xn_auth=noCarry over from part 1 by Or…tag:wethepeopleusa.ning.com,2018-02-16:2482704:Comment:2734532018-02-16T22:32:24.171ZMhttps://wethepeopleusa.ning.com/profile/McFixit1
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<p>Carry over from part 1 by Oren Long;</p>
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<div dir="ltr">I used to respond to posts from people like Tom, but don't anymore. When I was on the Tea Party Site and advocated for an Article V COS I frequently encountered people who were dead set against a COS, but had only a passing knowledge of how it would work and/or the built in safety mechanisms. No matter how many times I patiently tried to explain the facts, they were unmoved. Their minds were made…</div>
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<p>Carry over from part 1 by Oren Long;</p>
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<div dir="ltr">I used to respond to posts from people like Tom, but don't anymore. When I was on the Tea Party Site and advocated for an Article V COS I frequently encountered people who were dead set against a COS, but had only a passing knowledge of how it would work and/or the built in safety mechanisms. No matter how many times I patiently tried to explain the facts, they were unmoved. Their minds were made up; don't confuse them with the facts. Tom will never change his mind and I have better things to do.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">That said, I want to delve deeper into one of the main anti-COS arguments and why it is false (you pointed out why the AOC were "unfixable"). One of the favorite arguments of the anti-COS crowd is that the Founders "threw away" the AOC and replaced them with the Constitution, so why couldn't an Article V COS do the same thing (throw away the Constitution) and unilaterally impose a radically new form of government? </div>
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<div dir="ltr">First, an Article V COS gains its underlying authority from the Constitution. If a COS tried to supplant the Constitution with something radically different, it would be neutering its own underlying authority, without which, the Convention, itself, would go "poof" and cease to exist.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Second, the State COS Resolutions specifically state the reason for a Convention, to wit, "To draft amendments to limit the size, scope, power, reach, authority, and jurisdiction of the Federal Government". Ergo, any amendments drafted that fall outside of this mandate would be ruled "out of order" and would not be considered.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Third, we must remember exactly what the AOC really were. After the Revolution, there was no "America" as we think of her. There were no "States" as we think of them. The Colonies had just thrown off a strong, central government (England) and were not about to impose upon themselves another strong, central government. What we really had was 13 separate, independent, sovereign, NATION-STATES. In other words, there were 13 separate COUNTRIES, not States. They had their own customs, laws, money, etc. They were very jealous of their independence and sovereignty. Many imposed tariffs on goods coming from their own neighbors. Many refused to financially support Congress. Congress could not pass laws that applied "nationally" (there was no "nation"). Some even threatened war with other "States". Bottom line, the AOC were essentially a "Treaty" between 13 independent countries and, like all Treaties, could not be modified without the consent of ALL the sig</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Fourth, all the Founders did -- ALL THEY DID -- was to set aside a Treaty (which wasn't working) and supplant it with a form of government that, FOR THE FIRST TIME, united the 13 separate countries into one. This is evidenced by three things. 1) The Constitution is "The Constitution of the UNITED States", indicating that it, for the first time, UNITED the aforementioned separate countries into one nation. 2) The AOC are the "Articles of CONFEDERATION", indicating a loose confederation of Nation-States, primarily for mutual defense. 3) The above is further indicated in the National Motto itself, "E Pluribus Unum" (Out of Many, One). </div>
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<div dir="ltr">I hope this helps when you debate the anti-COS crowd.</div>
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