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Insights And Ponderings On The Las Vegas Shootings By A Retired Cop.

Author; Oren Long;

As a retired cop I have been pondering the Las Vegas Massacre and have some questions and observations.
How could a 64-year old man, out of shape and in poor health, run 24 feet, from room to room (the two windows were in different rooms), pick up a gun, REPEATEDLY, for TEN MINUTES, and fire on a crowd below?   From what we know, he was not physically able to do that, in a [combat] situation, and why would he?  
Allegedly, he used "Bump Stocks" to turn semi-automatic weapons into "automatic" weapons.   Well, I have checked out "Bump Stocks" to research this email.   THEY ARE TRASH -- unless a person just wants to "spray" a crowd.   Apparently, that is what the shooter wanted to do, kill as many as possible in the shortest amount of time.   So, given that the shooter was not aiming at any specific target, a "Bump Stock" equipped, "automatic" weapon could do the job.   And, the shooter's weapons were apparently mounted on tri-pods for better stability and accuracy.   
     
Here's what a "Bump Stock" is and does:   A rifle equipped with a Bump Stock is held an inch or two away from the shooter's shoulder.   When the trigger is pulled, the rifle bumps back into the shooter's shoulder (Hence, the name "Bump") activating the injection of the next round faster than a normal person can pull a trigger.   Hence, the weapon simulates a fully automatic weapon.   BUT (and this is a HUGE "but"), in so doing, the shooter looses ALL control of the aiming of the weapon.   Ergo, a "Bump Stock" equipped weapon is of NO  value, whatsoever, UNLESS a shooter is just trying to spray a general area which is apparently what the shooter was wanting to do.   
BUT, since semi-automatic weapons are not designed for fully automatic fire, they will quickly overheat and either jam or stop working when fired incessantly, as in fully automatic mode.   For example, in WWII the Germans had MG-42 machineguns.   The gunners had to carry extra barrels, replacing overheated barrels from time to time.   This could be why the Las Vegas shooter had so many guns.   All he had to do was drop an overheated gun and pick up another.   
Plus, it takes time for an overheated weapon to cool down, more time than it would take to run into another room, fire from a second window, overheat another gun, then run back to the first gun which had not yet cooled down.   Again, this could explain why he had so many guns; just pick up another gun and continue firing.   BUT, if that is the case, why not just pick up a different gun and keep firing?   Why change locations, using up valuable time?      
NONE of the above can explain why the shooter ran, out-of-shape, from room to room, slipping and sliding on thousands of expended cartridges, picking up another weapon, to continue firing.   It makes no sense!   Wouldn't it make much more sense, IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A SINGLE SHOOTER, to just put down the overheated weapon and pick up another?   After all, he had many, many, many weapons in the rooms AND had apparently carefully planned the attack to the last detail.   Why would he overlook this one, very important, detail?   The only logical conclusion is that there were multiple shooters, as testified to by MULTIPLE victim/witnesses who said that they saw gunfire coming from BOTH  windows in the shooter's suite AND multiple floors -- SIMULTANEOUSLY!   As Sherlock Holmes said, "When all other possibilities are eliminated, the only one remaining, however improbable, is probably the truth".  
There is another factor to consider.   About 600 people were killed or wounded.   Given that the shooter was just spraying the area, aiming at no one in particular, he HAD to expend thousands and thousands of rounds.   Given that he was firing for about 10 minutes, AND the crowd immediately began to disperse, I would bet that about a thousand rounds per minute were fired.   That would be at least 16 rounds per second, more than ANY manually operated machinegun can fire.   Even if he only fired 500 rounds per minute, that is still 8 rounds per second, still more than is possible, ESPECIALLY if he was wasting time, running from room to room, picking up a fresh weapon and firing without stopping.   And, all while slipping and sliding over expended rounds.   
Here's an example of what I am talking about:   In WWII, shipboard anti-aircraft batteries fired an average 3,000 rounds for every hit made on an enemy aircraft, and the batteries were firmly bolted to the deck and manned by trained crews.   Granted, the batteries were aiming at specific targets, but that's exactly my point.   The Las Vegas shooter was not aiming at anyone in particular, but was just spraying the area, and with an inaccurate, "Bump Stock" weapon while the crowd quickly dispersed, creating more and more space between victims, making it increasingly impossible to hit anyone.   Ergo, the shooter HAD to be expending thousands and THOUSANDS of rounds, impossible for a single shooter, running from position to position.
Victim/witness accounts are that the firing was incessant!   Yet, we are told that the shooter (as described above) was taking several seconds to run from room to room and incessantly firing on the crowd.   Really?!   All the evidence (at least at this time) points in the opposite direction.
Plus, how does one, out-of-shape man carry the necessary thousands and thousands and THOUSANDS of rounds of very heavy ammunition and dozens of weapons into the hotel UNNOTICED AND ALL BY HIMSELF?   Not likely.  
We DO know that the shooter shot out the two windows in question from the inside, BUT we don't know if other hotel windows on lower floors were also shot out from the inside.   It is possible that they were, but it is also possible that any other broken windows could be the result of police returning fire and hitting other windows in the process.   Ergo, it would prove nothing at this point.   Yet, still, there are the multiple victim/witness accounts of multiple shooters firing from both windows in the shooter's suite AND a window on a lower floor -- at the same time.    
Alleged evidence is that the shooter planned to escape.   This is supported by the fact that he had set up surveillance to alert him of the arrival/approach of law enforcement.   IF the shooter planned to escape, why is it so improbable that any accomplices could not also escape?   IF the shooter planned to escape, he would have to take weapons with him, BUT he apparently had 20+ weapons in the suite.   How could he possibly escape while carrying 20+ weapons?   It is impossible.   I think he planned to die all along AND the presence of the many weapons was just to allow him to keep firing incessantly until finally killed by police.   However, it is also possible that, while HE planned to die, he also planned an escape route for any accomplices.   In other words, like Oswald in 1963, he may have been a "patsy", playing a part in a very carefully coordinated plan.   He had apparently made reservations at venues overseeing other scheduled events.   Ergo, is it not possible that he planned multiple attacks?   I don't think so.   I think he was just checking out all possible scenarios and Mandolay Bay was ultimately selected.   Since he probably planned to die anyway, what would he care if he never checked into the other reservations?   Plus, as stated above, he would have had to take weapons with him for the other selected venues.   Since he could not possibly transport multiple weapons out of the hotel while under assault by the police, I am convinced he planned to die at the scene.
At this point I am not convinced that the government (Federal, State, AND Local) are all lying in a carefully coordinated way.   I think the investigation is ongoing and they, too, are trying to answer the many questions.   They may well be withholding evidence and facts until they can sort them all out.   Law Enforcement often does that until they can pick up other "persons of interest".   Still, it IS possible that they are lying.   I give you the JFK Assassination.   The Warren Commission tried to tell us that what we saw in the Zapruder (sp?) film was false even though we CLEARLY saw the President shot from the front and his brains spewing out the back of his head.   Yet, the Warren Commission insisted that Oswald, shooting from behind, managed to shoot him from the front.   Really?!   We were told that what we saw was NOT what we saw.  
Suffice it to say, given what we know at this time, that this was a very carefully planned, coordinated, and executed attack.      
At this point I am forced to "trust" the authorities, but only to a point.   We have no other choice until more is learned.  
Yet, I still lean heavily towards multiple shooters.   I am just an old, retired cop.   All I can do is follow the evidence.   What say you?
Oren 

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Oren sent an addendum to his original post;

This sounds like a good possibility. It is hard to figure because as many know, it is hard to know where the line is between truth and justice and the Deep State. I am convinced personally that we can not trust our government...Back to this theory.  As far as conspiracy theory`s go ,this does seem possible because it fits the evidence that we know of. We the People must become part of the problem solving.

Another addendum by Oren Long;

I know this falls under the "conspiracy" mantra, but here it is:
All day I have asked myself how any co-conspirators could have escaped.   Here's an idea:   What if they registered separately from the shooter, a day or two in advance, in adjacent rooms?   What if, at the last minute, the shooter told them to "get out and go to your rooms"?   The police would, instinctively and according to training, evacuate all other guests from the hotel.   They could simply walk out with all the other guests.   
It's how I would do it.
This would leave only the shooter in the suite.   He may have simply waited too long to escape.   
Hey, it's just my thoughts.   He planned everything else, so why not this?
Oren

Here's my take on it;

Oren,
I have the same misgivings that you do, granted we don't know what forensics have turned up and it is good procedure for the investigating agencies to hold back most of that information on an active investigation. I would like to know what fingerprints were on the weapons,clips and the partials on the expended casings as well as the unfired ammo. Along with that I would like to know what prints were in and around the room. Going further what epithelials were on and in the room and weapons. cross checking any dna found that did not belong to the shooter and could be cross checked with the hotel records of previous occupants in the room. I know that goes far beyond standard procedure but in this case I believe it is warranted. I would also like to get a look at his financials for the last seven years. 
 
The fact that there seems to be a long line of a "Lone Gun man"in the serial shootings and assassinations where the shooter either kills himself or commits suicide by cop seems too pat for this incident. Maybe the shooter was part of a team and was killed to allow the 'others' to get away.
 
As far as the Bump Stock goes, you can get the same effect using a strong rubber band to hold the trigger forward and keeping your finger on the trigger lightly pulling the stock of the gun forward so the recoil could reset the semi trigger mechanism, and that is similar to what had to be done to use the Bump Stock to make it slide over the recoil/buffer chamber on the AR 15. Again that only sprays the area. As for the weapons, they looked like AR15 and AK74 semi autos. Both could be supplied with the heavy barrell that military uses in their standard auto weapons, and appropriate Bump Stocks made for the weapons.
There were eyewitness accounts of shootings within the crowd by someone walking through but like all eyewitness accounts they would not be credible and would have to be confirmed by forensic evidence that some were shot on a level plain instead of from the elevated position. 
There was a report of a missing rifle, and reports of his key card being used at the same time he was shown to be leaving the garage level in his car. That needs to be verified.I would also like to see the ballistics of every spent round that was recovered and see them matched up with the rifles in evidence, especially the rounds recovered from the victims to see if there was any that did not match the recovered weapons.
Finally I would like to see the profile the FBI comes up with on the shooter because my gut tells me that what's been given to the public does not fit any profile of a lone nut shooter, but does fit profiles for highly organized and trained individuals or groups.
This is my assessment as an old retired Patrolman. Please comment because I am so rusty at this I would like critiques on it.
M

Seems there is another man in Las Vegas that had many guns in his car and home when he was stopped.  He was stopped about 4Am a few days after the attack - most of the guns he had were unregistered (ones that he may have constructed himself, and were all loaded.) He was discovered speeding and was finally stopped. Seems rather strange - he seemed a bit strange, but also seems to know lots and lots about the guns he had. Both men seem to be alike in many ways. So yeah, more than one shooter???    

I just heard Tucker Carlson report that the shooter shot the security guard ,outside his room, 6 minutes before he opened fire on the concert goers. The early reports were put out to make some kind of hero of the guy. It seems he knocked on the door to find out what the noise was about when shooter screwed doors shut. To see such a screw up of reporting a time line fact, is very bothersome. So eager to report falsely .yet so secretive about other facts. FBI and other police agencies patting themselves on backs to say how good of job they are doing is truly disgusting...Something very wrong is going on. I think we should not waist time on this issue. It will only lead us down to many rabbit holes.

Hank,

That's exactly what Oren was implying, there was other shooter or shooters and that is being covered up.

Another logical insight by Oren Long;

YOU WON'T HEAR ABOUT IT -- EVER!   Let me make a couple of points.
1.   Have you noticed that the ONLY time "terrorism/terrorist attacks" are identified by the authorities/media is when they are caught/thwarted before they can act.   BUT, when there IS an attack that looks like it could be terrorism-related and/or is claimed by a known terrorist organization, the authorities almost immediately RUSH to say it is NOT related to terrorism, claiming it is a "lone wolf" who acted for unknown reasons.
2.   The authorities are TERRIFIED of admitting there could be terrorists in America, especially if any attacks are successful.   They are TERRIFIED that they might be held responsible.
3.   The Media CANNOT admit their propaganda, that claims Islam is "peaceful", is a lie.   Therefore, with the above in mind, neither the media nor the authorities will ever admit to multiple shooters, even if there was video proof.   They would call it "staged" or "photo-shopped".   Count on it.

This is from Infowars;

Special Forces veterans say gunshot acoustics point to multiple shooters
(Infowars) – There’s overwhelming evidence there were multiple shooters at the Las Vegas massacre – and Special Forces veterans who spoke to Infowars said the gunshot acoustics indicate Stephen Paddock didn’t act alone.
Numerous witnesses reported gunfire from multiple locations – and the acoustics indicate several, overlapping firearms according to veterans of Delta Force, Navy SEALs, Green Berets and other military outfits that Infowars spoke to who have first-hand experience in firefights with automatic weapons.
One of these sources, former Navy SEAL leader Craig Sawyer, is a top ballistics expert and a federal criminal investigator who also has his own sources, some of whom are linked to the investigation.
Here’s what he had to say about multiple shooters:
I will get this caveat out there that it’s very important to be accurate… echoes are very confusing, and hearing anything through a microphone is confusing, and one of my best friends is probably the foremost authority on… the acoustics of these big cases, and he’s got these huge computer [setups] to analyze everything.
Having said all that, and acknowledging that it is confusing after the fact to listen to a series of gunshots with echoes, I will say this: some things are beyond [doubt]… it’s apparent anyway. Even though you’re listening to the echoes and even though you’re listening to it after the fact through a microphone that does just change that acoustic signature, it’s still apparent there was more than one shooter.
…You hear [gunshots] very muffled, very far away and then all the sudden, shortly thereafter, you hear very loud, very distinct [gunshots]. That’s a far engagement and a close engagement.
…I feel confident that we’re hearing more than one shooter.
He also pointed out that so far, there’s hasn’t been much footage released of Stephen Paddock, which suggests the footage would derail the mainstream narrative of a lone shooter.
Remember, Las Vegas hotels and casinos are amongst the most surveilled places per square foot in the world, and yet officials haven’t bothered to release much video. Why wouldn’t surveillance footage be released if it collaborates the official story?
That in itself suggests a cover-up of the parties involved in the shooting – and that the real truth goes much deeper than the mainstream narrative.
If there were multiple shooters, this information needs to be released so the public can help find those responsible.
As we reported on Friday, there’s emerging evidence that the Las Vegas shooting was an ISIS attack and that Paddock had been radicalized, either for real or as part of a cover as he had the hallmarks of an intelligence agency cutout.
Remember, intelligence agencies were behind the rise of ISIS as the CIA and other agencies were funding so-called “moderate” rebels in the Syrian Civil War who were fighting alongside ISIS in an attempt to overthrow President Assad.
Many of these “moderate” rebels later pledged allegiance to ISIS.

Something found by Jim Lakes;

Security guard was killed?

On Oct 11, 2017 9:48 AM, "Jim Lakes" a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="mailto:jlakes7056@aol.com">jlakes7056@aol.com> wrote:
Just posted on FB about the FBI. How safe are we with them at the helm? Can they be trusted any longer, especially after the Comey debacle and lies? This article sheds more light on our suspicions!!!

“Covert Terrorism Financing”: FBI Flagged 200 From Vegas Shooter As Mystery Deepens

 

Posted by Georgette Walrath | Oct 10, 2017 | National Security

So many questions surround the Las Vegas mass shooting that it’s difficult to believe the FBI when the agency immediately claimed that the shooter, Steven Paddock, had absolutely no terror ties. This was in opposition to ISIS claims, that assert Paddock converted six months ago and had been radicalized.

It’s interesting to note that the shooting occurred right at the end of Yom Kippur in front of a pyramid, but even by discounting the most wild conspiracy theories, the FBI’s complete and utter denial that the man had any terror contacts seems suspicious. The evidence, from what has been released seems to support ISIS’s responsibility statement. In fact, over 200 of Paddocks foreign financial transactions were flagged by the “intelligence” agency as possible “covert terrorism financing.”

The attack was planned very carefully. Suspicions concerning another person were first reported but have now been denied. There is a discrepancy concerning the date Paddock checked into the hotel room, there’s an ISIS video predicting the carnage, and he made several trips to the Middle East. Now we also know that a security guard was killed six minutes before the shooting began. Don’t casinos have their own, pretty awesome security teams? How do these things somehow discredit the claim made by the terror organization?

In fact, ISIS does not claim responsibility for attacks they haven’t carried out. There’s so much evidence for this fact, that the New York Times’ terrorism “expert” had to give credence to the claim. Plus, the L.A. Times reported this weekend that the FBI investigated the Orlando mass shooter for “10 months, and found nothing.”

However, it is well known that the Orlando killer who opened fire at the gay night club was a card-carrying jihadist who’d pledged allegiance to the Islamic State. Using just that information, either the FBI is a bunch of liars, or they are incompetent.

But, there’s more. The Bureau was warned about the Boston Marathon bombings in advance, more than once, yet they did nothing. In another example, an FBI translator wed the ISIS jihadist who she was supposed to be investigating.

Also, the disturbing incident in Garland, Texas was helped planned by the FBI. And they did nothing as the terrorists were on their way to behead Pamela Geller. Fortunately, she had a separate security team on detail who were able to save her life. She said, “We survived despite the FBI.”

Although they knew all about the plot, they neither warned her, nor tried to stop the murderers. In 2015, ISIS recruiter Mohamed Abdullahi Hassan, also known as Mujahid Miski, communicated with the Garland jihadis before attack. He’d been communicating with them for over a year.

She reported, “Hassan allegedly traded more than 550 messages with attacker Elton Simpson, from November 2014 up until the day of the May 3, 2015, terror attack. Miski was also in contact with the Boston Muslims plotting to behead me. It has also been alleged that Miski influenced the San Bernardino Muslim mass murderers. Where was the FBI?”

Where indeed? Well, they were in on the plan. If her security team and the Garland Police had not stopped it, who knows whether the information would have ever been released about their involvement in the attack.

Geller wrote, “It’s hard to escape the conclusion that the Obama FBI wanted me and the other speakers at the event dead. Dutch freedom fighter Geert Wilders was the keynote speaker; he has been living with armed guards for years for supposedly “insulting Islam.” My colleague Robert Spencer has received numerous death threats from Muslims. Cartoon contest winner Bosch Fawstin drew Muhammad. Did Obama’s pro-Islam FBI want us all dead?”

Her assertions are legitimate. Now, the American people are supposed to take their word for it when they say that they investigated Paddock found nothing?

Incidentally, one of the individuals injured in that Texas attack is suing the FBI for their involvement. Hopefully, he’ll win and the FBI will have to pay for its rampant corruption.

ISIS has claimed that Paddock was their man—something that they do not go around doing if it is not true. How can the FBI expect the American people to believe their new statements considering their reprehensible past?

There are simply too many questions surrounding these events to believe that investigators are offering the honest truth. If over 200 of Paddock’s monetary transactions were being investigated, doesn’t that signal some sort of radical connection? According to the faulty FBI, nope.

The liberal belief about the idiocy of the American people is both insulting and untrue. However, they think they can get away with it, because they have so often in the past.

 

Your thoughts?

Jim

You ask if they can be trusted. I know you do not trust them, but I just want everyone to remember LaVoy Fincum was murdered by the FBI. That has been proven already.....How about Ruby Ridge and Waco... Thank God for sites like this speaking out about the truth of it.

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