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Al Gore blames record U.S. cold on climate change — then meteorologist drops truth bomb on him

Source; http://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/01/07/al-gore-blames-record-u-s-c...

Al Gore took to his Twitter account last week to blame the recent record cold-snap on climate change. But he was sharply rebuked with facts by a famed meteorologist.

What did Gore say?

Gore tweeted the link to an article stating that bitter cold is exactly what should be expected from man-made climate change.

Al Gore: Freezing is the new warming.

But what can you expect from someone who relies on Fake Nobelist Michael Mann?

 
 

The article was written by Dr. Michael Mann, a professor of atmospheric science at Penn State University. Mann argues that heavy lake effect snows this year near the Great Lakes are a sign of global warming because the warming temperatures cause the lakes to stay warmer longer therefore producing more snow. He also argued that despite the recent cold snap, the U.S. has seen many more days of very above normal temperatures than very below normal temperatures over the past several years.

He also argued that despite the central and eastern U.S. being locked into an arctic cold pattern for more than a week, the western U.S. and much of the rest of the world has been warm. Mann also blamed last week’s major east coast snowstorm on warmer-than-normal ocean water.

These allegations, however, are more narrative and opinion rather than fact, according to meteorologist Joe Bastardi.

What did Bastardi say?

Bastardi challenged whether the recent cold has anything to do with climate change, saying cold in the 1980’s was colder than this year’s recent cold snap and it was never connected to climate change or global warming. Bastardi also questioned whether or not the upcoming thaw is connected to climate change.

So let me get this straight, This cold is from climate change, Previous cold shots werent, Previous cold shots like 83-84 this period colder. So what these guys want us to believe is the cold is from climate change, but climate change made it come up short of previous cold shots https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/949267935683596288 

After four tweets, Bastardi concluded by chiding Gore and other climate change alarmists about pursuing narrative over truth.

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You are wrong, those who post here are dedicated to finding and researching and always amaze me when they share their researched knowledge. It is very disheartening to see someone go out of their way to make remarks like you just did. I could very well fall into the ignorance classification you mention - though not willful; and for you to accuse others who are sharing so much information is disgusting. Seems you are trying to impose your way on others, without trying to debate in an honest endeavor to find agreement.

By the way, you and I would never get along as neighbors, first off I'm rural, love cats, dogs and sometimes even baby raccoons. Also hunt, fish and love the winter.   We have 1 daughter left, lost a son years ago while trying to save a friend in the Wis. river, and lost our older daughter to cancer a few years ago. We have 4 grandchildren, and 2 great grandchildren. All of them are important parts of our lives.

And we believe that Al Gore is wrong! 

Can not take the liberal out of a liberal....So do not let him get your goat.

Yes, Virginia, you probably are ignorant, but not any more than I am, or anyone else.  As an example, I am terribly ignorant of other cultures.  I just haven't taken the time to learn about how other people live in other countries, on other continents, or other regions.  Same with religions.  Those two areas alone could be life-changing if I understood the problems other people face, the adversity they have to deal with... That's just one tiny example.  There are so many other things I am ignorant about.  IGNORANT just means I haven't taken the time to learn something, perhaps never had the opportunity, or couldn't afford the tuition, or simply had no interest in a particular topic. If one of those topics come up in conversation, I tend to ask questions and listen.

That's not to be confused with Stupid, which is lacking the ability to learn through no fault of your own.

I'm rural,  too.  I grew up in a town with under 5,000 residents and moved out to the township as an adult.  We have kids and grandkids, I don't hunt but I do fish occasionally.  I do not like winter - I don't like being cold or shoveling snow or driving in it.  I like the other 3 seasons when I can  camp in my Airstream, kayak the lakes, rivers, and streams, and go on boat trips that last for days.  I like being outdoors.

I try to point out facts and evidence to support certain reasonable conclusions, but most of the time what I get in return is gibberish, double-talk, and beliefs.  So I respond with they can believe whatever they want but the evidence does not support that belief.  I do lose my patience at times, though!  To you, Virginia, I apologize.  The others?  They can handle it!  There's no chains on their asses!    (What is that supposed to mean??  How does one get a chain on their ass?   Where would I get an ass chain??)

 

The door is open.....you can leave when ever you wish amnesia....NO CHAINS ON YOUR ASS...

T.

From what I have looked up, the great lakes region has a january thaw and other minor thaws throughout the winter months. Any body of water that does not Freeze like fast moving rivers will create "lake effect snows" for the same reason the Lakes do. Evaporation turned into snow. BTW, did you know that ALL rain through the summer spring and fall months starts out as snow in the upper atmosphere? It's only the warmer temps at lower altitudes that melt it into rain. Interesting fact I picked up while researching. And , as I stated before the NASA photos show that the Polar ice caps are not melting away as the Computer models predicted. Granted a big ice shelf did break off from Antarctica but that was attributed to the Salty Ocean eroding the underside of that shelf in a normal process until it broke under it's own weight. Same thing happened there as what happens when you spread salt on icy sidewalks and porches, it melts the ice by lowering the freezing temp of water below 32 degrees F.

Another idea I came across is many climatologists believe we are still not fully out of the last Glaciation period. We do know that the Earth has gone through World wide Tropical climates to almost world wide Ice coverages as a natural procession of climate changes before mankind and after mankind was established. See Mini Ice Age circa 700 AD. 

M

Reflect for a moment.
The 18th century French Enlightenment was a revolt against the established order of governance by Monarchy and religion via Roman Catholicism.
It ushered in the neuroses of the fanatical left; among them, progressivism in the form of Socialism, Marxism; among others. Over time, these manias co-opted the impulses and sentiments of religion in order to disguise their agnostic and secular bias, thereby broadening their appeal to plain and simple people.
Socialism was heralded as the coming of heaven on earth; yet the home truth is cold and hard.
These manias were driven by one issue, CONTROL, as it always was and always will be.
Climate change/global warming is more of the same. Led by a fraud and hustler such as Gore and having a credentialed mouthpiece such as Mann; it's the latest apocalyptic fandango from the left; who insist they emphatically know best. Why of course they do.
Some want to engage them in reasoned debate; a fools errand in my judgement.
The tone and temperament of these fanatics; who are the soulmates of Leon Trotsky, should alert anyone as to what their agenda is.

Officer M;

I'm sure you remember January in Detroit - BRUTAL!  January "thaws" used to be a day or two at 34 or 36 degrees.  Today the high was over 50 degrees after 3 weeks of single digit and sub-zero temps.  The real thaws don't begin until the 2nd or 3rd week of February.

Yes, at high altitudes it's snow and below that it is super-cooled water droplets.  What fascinated me as a kid was HAIL.  I couldn't imagine how ice balls could fall out of the sky when the temperature was in the seventies or eighties.  It just baffled me!

Natural progression doesn't always follow a line as straight as computer model might predict, but overall it will come to pass long after we're gone from this place.  Technically, we are still in an "ice age" and will be as long as the poles are covered with ice sheets year round.  The periods where the ice coverage expands to cover more of the Earth year-round then recedes back to the poles are Glacial Periods.  The glaciers began receding about 12,000 years ago and I suppose that one might contend that they are still in the process of recession.  

Saltwater absolutely lowers the melting point of ice and seawater has always melted glaciers when they slid off the land and pushed out into the oceans as ice shelves.  But not as fast as you may think.  First, the water temperature itself is below the freezing point of non-saline (fresh) water so the melting takes place very slowly.  Once melting begins, the water becomes less saline and the melting process slows even further.  But there are still other factors that cause the melting to accelerate, the most obvious being an increase in the temperature of the ocean.  Another cause was discovered not that long ago and is described in an article in the Nat. Geographic.

I think in the last 5 years Antarctica has lost 3 gigantic ice shelves with this last one being the largest of all.  On the bright side, there has been an increase in snowfall on that continent recently that will eventually become new glacial ice shelves.  Interesting, no?

T.

One of the universal characteristics of Glacial ice is that it's always moving and being replaced. The undercut shelf that just dropped off was one of those that the arctic ocean currents carved an undercut over the years until the weight of the unsupported shelf broke/sheared off under it's own weight. Wind patterns are usually created by numerous factors, including like I have said the slash and burn of the rain forests,Sun Cycles, Possibly even the HAARP experiments using micro wave tech to heat up the ionosphere creating a high pressure area in one location with the resultant low pressure in adjacent areas, but that would be a deliberate Government act by one of the seven different governments conducting the experiments.

As I was once told, Hail comes from wind shear patterns that keep tossing rain back up to the freezing altitudes multiple times until hail was formed. BTW I was in a hail storm in the nevada Desert near death valley that completely covered the desert with two inches of hail and the temp was 102. I took a bit of time for the hail to melt, luckily without causing flash floods. But in the next day or two the Desert bloomed, it was the most beautiful sight to see. Wish I had had a camera with me.The drivers on I-15 were not very skilled driving in icy conditions and there were many accidents too.

 I remember in the late forties and fifties there was a longer January thaw than what you suggest.

You still are focusing on too short a time span to evaluate the long term effects, What is needed is the study from the paleolithic ( found through Ice core samples for the long term ), and Growth ring cycles from the redwoods and other multi century trees for short term, along with other data that can be gathered to check Atmospheric conditions over time and how they affected Climate, to gain an insight on the major and minor causative factors acting on climate. Also how cyclic climate patterns are running.

Another reflection applying Grade 3 arithmetic.

The climateers insist their data is beyond reproach making their case ironclad.

So the Earth's age is 4,550,000,000 years, while they have a tad more than 100 years of verifiable data (ok, say 200 years).

Simple division produces .000000044 or.44 billionths of the time the Earth has been a Planet

and based on this figure they insist all are doomed unless we heed their message. Hmm......

Officer M:  "You still are focusing on too short a time span to evaluate the long term effects"

I wasn't focusing on anything.  I was recalling my childhood memories, but they don't go back to the 50's, let alone the 1940s!! Scientists have, and continue to research what you mentioned and more, from which they draw conclusions.  Needless to say, I trust their work over the opinions of those who do no work, but feel they have the wherewithal to criticize their efforts.

T,

The time frame you are citing is too short to be a valid reference of the reasons to blame the totality of actual warming on human endeavors. For instance, the Arctic and Antarctic ice cores go back tens of thousands of years, and show there is a rough cyclic pattern of warming and cooling that is not attributable to humanity.The scientists you speak of have other just a reputable scientists saying the opposite, and those are in greater numbers than the ones who support the theory that it's the humans who are responsible for catastrophic warming trends. The current climatologists theory is just that, Theory. The actual recorded FACTS in the Ice Cores show the Actual Climate changes.and the Tree Ring from Giant red wood trees and from fossilised trees go back at least 10,000 years of actual climate activity.Those actual recorded climate changes do not an any way match up to the Climate models the Scientists that support Human caused Climate changes. I'll go with the actual recorded records of climate change. You can also look up what Science calls the "Maunder Minimum" as it applies to climate change. It puts some things in proper perspective.

M

M,

The word Theory should resonate loudly to anyone making claims for science; except of course the all knowing greenies, for whom Climate Change has morphed into a religion on the magnitude of Zoroastrianism.

Consider a moment; the two most self-labeled revolutionary nostrums of the modern era; Evolution and Relativity.

Unlike the Laws of Science supported by rigorous mathematics created/expanded by the Greeks and Scholastics; these remain unproven Theories, approaching two centuries after their arrival.

Any day now, perhaps.

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