PETE SANTILLI

[kevin kiernan]

For the members of We The People I think it would be nice for you to know Pete Santilli who shines the lite on the establishment trolls. He seems to be a Great American.

[jack ludwig]

someone needs to find this guy a job! maybe he is has a desire to be a catcher for a baseball team, I am only guessing because he hasn't learned which way the baseball cap goes on the head.

[Virginia Foulk]

Now Jack, a lot of the younger men and boys are wearing their hats this way. It helps keep the forehead clear of head hair, and helps cover the neck from sunburn.  And for my husband, I added a piece of bandana to fall down to his shoulders.  So depends on the use of the cap. I personally, like it for keeping the sun out of my eyes, but who's to say.

[jack ludwig]

well, minnow where I come from if you turn the hat backwards you are implying you are a tough guy. To me, that is just advertising you're looking to prove something.

[Virginia Foulk]

Certainly proves we are located in far different areas of America.  Humm, maybe I'm looking to prove something, too. I have gotten an Army Desert Storm hat, has a nice brim and I love to wear it everywhere. Keeps the sun off my face, protects me from getting a sunburned nose. But, then I must be trying to prove something.   Of course, standing only 5' tall (well I stretch it to 5 foot, by a 1/2 inch) suspect my posture and hat don't really worry anyone. 

                                                         

[kevin kiernan]

Well ,jack, Once again you try and pick on the discussion brought forth, but yet say nothing about the content of the video. This tells me you do not bother to watch and contribute. It seems to me you just want to disrupt the message. I am beginning to think you need to be put on the troll watch list.Your coments about Mr Santilli`s hat wearing style tells me that you either are someone that likes everything in a shallow box by labeling them based on minor details. Or. You just want to be a pain in the ass.Would you please work on offering this site something positive.

[jack ludwig]

Well you are entitled to your opinion Kevin, I guess I am not. I have watched this video and others you have presented with this gentleman and have found no value in the information he offers. In my opinion, he is a man searching for a conflict to get some kind of recognition he badly needs. As for the hat turned around it is a symbol of toughness, he knows it but maybe you don't. Can you explain why I am considered a possible troll here? Is the new definition of troll someone who disagrees with the view of the moderator. Aren't you violating your own rules by calling me names?

Positive or negative is in the objective of the reader. Calling others names or associating hate with entire groups because one person may be on the opposite side of an issue is not positive dialogue. I don't like to generalize about any important subject matter or to use speculation as facts. You are the moderator so you hold the power to have me removed. I hope you don't because I think it is important that we express our views and find ways to fix some of the problems we have today. Being committed to one view will never be a productive way to resolve problems. Regan was the first president we had in a long time that new that principle and worked very hard to break through the stubborn minds of politicians.

[kevin kiernan]

But you have not agreed with any one here. So that is a flag to any moderator.To be only disruptive on every issue is a sure sign that speaks volumes to your intent. So like I said ..Let me see you bring a positive position to  something here. If you think the Government is acting in a constitutional manner than what the heck are you doing here? Many fine Patriotic people have worked to keep constitutional law healthy through the court system. But the courts have become rigged and part of problem. The Federal Government has become to big and powerful. Protesting is a way of getting a message out. But the tyranny that the government uses keeps people afraid of reacting. Time and time again, groups who have been slowly beat up by the  controlling factor of the Feds. The IRS ,BLM,EPA. have all become tools of tyranny...Then add in the FBI CIA, and the latest move to nationalize local law enforcement groups.Many here get it Jack. It is obvious you do not get it. Now that is ok because most people do not get it. When people speak out against the ones who are acting out to bring resolve to our constitutional health. Tells me that they do not get it or they are trying to disrupt the message. And your constant attacking everyone`s discussion,without bringing something positive tells me you are one of these.I am just trying to figure out which one. Now it would be nice if you could humble me, and show me I am wrong. That is up to you. I can be humble, and I must be for I am not perfect. So once again Jack .Let me see you bring a positive position we should take to address our broken Constitution and our out of control Government. 

[jack ludwig]

Kevin, I believe we have been headed in the wrong direction for a very long time. However, I am of the belief we the people are the cause of our problems not the government officials and I don't think are conditions are as bad at you make them out to be. I think what you find annoying is that very point, I don't see the concerns as you do. I see concerns but not as problems that can't be fixed in a logical fashion. Making the problem much bigger than it really is will not helpful in formulating solutions. When I offer a questionable point of view that is a contribution in my view to look at this situation in a more reasonable fashion not saying that actions are not required but lets examine what is reasonable actions. Let's just take this point on the militia. Why is it necessary to take such action. Have court actions been fully utilized? Has their been a concerted effort to get better organized to get representatives from our government involved. Has their been a strong effort to bring more support from the American citizen involved. No, instead one of the first actions taken is occupy a federal building with guns and refuse to leave when the authorities ask these people to leave. That is the only point I am trying to make on this issue. I think this whole issue could be solved satisfactorily if we just use some common sense and not jump to the positon that the government is trying to take our rights away. The government is acting as they think the law intents them to act and all laws are for the best interest to the citizen. If they turn out not to be we have the legal means to correct those mistakes. Taking matters into your own hands is not the solution. You may feel my contributions to address these issues are not positive but I believe there are smarter ways to get things done. We certainty can disagree but having  a discussion on the different views is how you work things out. Don't be offended by different points of view, just offer your reasoning why that view cannot work. I don't question your sincerity on any issue, I am just trying to give you a chance to consider a different perspective. Also, I don't comment on most subjects but occasionally I do and sometimes I agree. In general I agree that this matter needs addressing, I disagree on the approach that is being used and the benefit this individual is bringing to resolve the matter. 

[kevin kiernan]

Jack, Stop the bs. One of the first actions taken was not to occupy. See , you are talking crap. You need to be responsible with what you write. Now I know your not stupid .You have put enough time in on this issue that you can not possibly say that in good faith.Now just by saying that tells me you have troll intentions. To use witty lie`s to support your views. That is deceitful and everyone should be on guard as to what your intentions are here. All the proof is here on this thread as to how much was done by Ammon Bundy before they used their last resort...I am sure any one here will tell you that occupying was not one of the first moves made..NOT IN A LONG SHOT. I have wasted enough time on this with you. I will not reply to your questions.If you read  any more on this thread or if you do not .I do not care.

[jack ludwig]

Kevin, my intent was not to imply this occupy action was the first that was done, I just questioned why it even had to be done. Have all other possibilities been exhausted? You are correct we both are spending too much time arguing past each other and solving nothing. I respect your sincerity on this matter and I will refrain from making any more comments on this issue. There are certainly much greater concerns for me to focus on.

[kevin kiernan]

Does not look like militants to me ....

[kevin kiernan]

LATEST UPDATE FROM AMMON BUNDY...Brought to us by the man with the backwards hat.....