RYAN AGREES TO DELAY A DISCUSSION ON 'MOTION TO VACATE

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Rep. Ryan agrees to delay discussion on changing 'motion to vacate'... - 10/23/15 October 23, 2015A key concession to the Freedom Caucus clears the way for a vote on his speakership. More

October 23, 2015

Rep. Ryan agrees to delay discussion on changing 'motion to vacate' rule

By Rick Moran

One of Rep. Paul Ryan's "conditions" for accepting the speakership of the House was to get rid of the "motion to vacate" the speaker's chair rule that eventually doomed John Boehner. He didn't think it was appropriate to have this sword of Damocles constantly hovering over his head.

This was a sticking poiint with House conservatives on the Freedom Caucus who see the value of holding such leverage over the speaker.

Yesterday, Ryan cleared the way for support from the Freedom Caucus by agreeing to make the "motion to vacate" part of a larger discussion of party and House rules reforms that conservatives are demanding.

Politico:

Rep. Paul Ryan has agreed to delay a discussion about reforming the procedural motion used to remove a House speaker, a major concession to the House Freedom Caucus.

The Wisconsin Republican, now the presumptive next speaker of the House, delivered the message to Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan, the chairman of the Freedom Caucus, according to multiple sources familiar with the discussion. Possible changes to the so-called "motion to vacate" will now come as part of a larger discussion of reworking internal party and House rules. Should he become House speaker, Ryan will set a deadline by which the House Republican Conference will change chamber and party rules.

In launching his bid for speaker, Ryan said the next speaker could not operate under the constant threat of a referendum vote to remove him from his position. He has not said how he wants to reform the motion to vacate, but several options have been discussed, including increasing the threshold to bring such a motion to a vote. Ryan is still insisting on changes to the legislative maneuver to remove the speaker, and the House Freedom Caucus is open to changing the procedure, several members have said.

The Freedom Caucus stopped short of endorsing Ryan's bid for speaker, but a supermajority of the group is supporting him.

This uneasy alliance is not likely to last. Ryan doesn't want to be a prisoner of the right while conservatives don't want Ryan straying far from the reservation. The whole thing could blow up in the next couple of weeks as the GOP leadership is looking to pass a "clean" debt limit bill in early November with no conditions. Or the relationship may implode a month later when the funding debate comes to a head in December.

The fact is, the GOP establishment is not on the same page as House conservatives. In fact, they're not even reading from the same book. It's hard to see how the mild mannered Ryan can knock heads to unify his fractious caucus. Appeals to party loyalty has little effect on conservatives, which means it's probable that Ryan will regret his decision to become speaker sooner rather than later.

 

 

One of Rep. Paul Ryan's "conditions" for accepting the speakership of the House was to get rid of the "motion to vacate" the speaker's chair rule that eventually doomed John Boehner. He didn't think it was appropriate to have this sword of Damocles constantly hovering over his head.

This was a sticking poiint with House conservatives on the Freedom Caucus who see the value of holding such leverage over the speaker.

Yesterday, Ryan cleared the way for support from the Freedom Caucus by agreeing to make the "motion to vacate" part of a larger discussion of party and House rules reforms that conservatives are demanding.

Politico:

Rep. Paul Ryan has agreed to delay a discussion about reforming the procedural motion used to remove a House speaker, a major concession to the House Freedom Caucus.

The Wisconsin Republican, now the presumptive next speaker of the House, delivered the message to Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan, the chairman of the Freedom Caucus, according to multiple sources familiar with the discussion. Possible changes to the so-called "motion to vacate" will now come as part of a larger discussion of reworking internal party and House rules. Should he become House speaker, Ryan will set a deadline by which the House Republican Conference will change chamber and party rules.

In launching his bid for speaker, Ryan said the next speaker could not operate under the constant threat of a referendum vote to remove him from his position. He has not said how he wants to reform the motion to vacate, but several options have been discussed, including increasing the threshold to bring such a motion to a vote. Ryan is still insisting on changes to the legislative maneuver to remove the speaker, and the House Freedom Caucus is open to changing the procedure, several members have said.

The Freedom Caucus stopped short of endorsing Ryan's bid for speaker, but a supermajority of the group is supporting him.

This uneasy alliance is not likely to last. Ryan doesn't want to be a prisoner of the right while conservatives don't want Ryan straying far from the reservation. The whole thing could blow up in the next couple of weeks as the GOP leadership is looking to pass a "clean" debt limit bill in early November with no conditions. Or the relationship may implode a month later when the funding debate comes to a head in December.

The fact is, the GOP establishment is not on the same page as House conservatives. In fact, they're not even reading from the same book. It's hard to see how the mild mannered Ryan can knock heads to unify his fractious caucus. Appeals to party loyalty has little effect on conservatives, which means it's probable that Ryan will regret his decision to become speaker sooner rather than later.

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[charles royer]

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[DE]

Charles ...Thanks for your support on this thread..this needs to be a good discussion thread for all of us whOo are actually  supporting the  freedom Caucus whom  WE ARE SEEING NOW DID STAND UP FOR US ON THE DEFENDING OF THE RULES......

[M]

Disregard the ads in this informational post by Charles, it was approved to be posted as is because the ads cannot be removed.

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[DE]

Thanks Mac...:)

[charles royer]

Sorry thought i put the disclaimer on both posts or didn't mean to make two posts Uh confused?

[DE]

Never confused Charles..always our brilliant engineer....

[Virginia Foulk]

Step one of Ryan's looking for the job. (I'm still not fully behind him, myself ....but.)

   Cowboy Byte — October 26, 2015 /Oct 25, 2015  Congress   Paul Ryan Taps Conservative Hill Veteran for Speaker’s Staff   By   Janet Hook

Rep. Paul Ryan, girding for the challenges of his likely election as Speaker of the House, on Sunday announced he had chosen a conservative with wide experience advising Republican congressional leaders to serve as his chief of staff.

David Hoppe is now a lobbyist but had a long career on Capitol Hill as an aide to former Rep. Jack Kemp — one of Mr. Ryan’s own mentors — as well as to former Sens. Trent Lott and Jon Kyl when they were in the Senate GOP leadership.

As Mr. Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican, prepares to become speaker, one of his biggest challenges will be repairing and maintaining relations between the GOP leadership and the party’s most conservative element, which was largely responsible for driving Speaker John Boehner to announce his retirement.

In a Sunday statement announcing Mr. Hoppe’s selection, Mr. Ryan emphasized his conservative roots, which includes some experience as a vice president of the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank whose political affiliate has been a thorn in Mr. Boehner’s side.

“Dave has been a foot soldier in the conservative movement, and he is a good friend,” Mr. Ryan said. “His decades of experience fighting for the cause and his passionate commitment to conservative principles are just what I’m looking for to create a new kind of speakership.”

Messrs. Ryan and Hoppe became close friends when they worked together in the 1990s for Mr. Kemp at Empower America, a conservative think tank. Mr. Hoppe served as a congressional aide for 29 years, but now works at one of Washington’s premier lobbying firms, Squire Patton Boggs.

[DE]

David Hope was mentored by Kemp and trent lott..Neither one of them conservative ..both establishment to the core..Good Job Virginia you are helping to vet Ryan's pick...this is desperatelu needed...you smart gal...:)

[M]

Seems funny that another of the Founders ideas is under attack by a current member of Congress. the 'Motion to Vacate' was instituted by Thomas Jefferson and I believe it should remain to prevent a dictatorship like scenario from happening in the House. Too much of the original intent is being nickle and dimed away from the Founders ideas

[Virginia Foulk]

Who is the real Paul Ryan?      subject) Dudley Brown   The National Association for Gun Rights is a nonprofit, nonpartisan, single-purpose citizens' organization dedicated to preserving and protecting the Constitutionally protected right-to-keep-and-bear-arms through an aggressive program designed to mobilize public opposition to anti-gun legislation. The National Association for Gun Rights' mailing address is P.O. Box 7002, Fredericksburg, VA 22404. They can be contacted toll-free at 1-877-455-4570. Its web address is www.NationalGunRights.org

I posted the entire letter under gun control. But this seems to be another negative against Ryan.

[DE]

GOP leaders in Congress are preparing to rush through a two-year budget that would leave President Barack Obama with roughly $40 billion in extra domestic spending, plus an unfettered ability to attack undefended conservative causes via his regulations and management directives.

Last last night, Congress released the outlines of the deal, which is slated to last until October 2017.

Leaders are “clearing the barn” of high-priority spending disputes, said Daniel Horowitz, the senior editor at Conservative Review.

But GOP leaders and legislators “are refusing to use the power of the purse” to win voters’ policy priorities, he said. They “are essentially nullifying James Madison’s plan to give Congress the power of the purse,” Horowitz added.

If Republicans “will not fight [for conservatives’ goals with] the budget… it is systematic breakdown of [constitutional] checks and balances,” he said.

In practical terms, he said, GOP politicians “are allowing Obama in his most final, most dangerous year, to do whatever he wants to transform the country.”

That passivity allows GOP legislators to sidestep many contradictory demands from their donors and voters until 2017, he said.

But that passivity, he said, is “just going to pour fuel on the [populist] fire” that has put two outsiders — real-estate magnate Donald Trump and brain-surgeon Ben Carson — far ahead of established GOP politicians in the 2016 race.

GOP and Democratic leaders hope to rush the $8 trillion budget deal through Congress in less than 48 hours, denying the public—or even congressional committees—any ability to debate the nation’s largest ever budget law.

But that’s good for GOP leaders, who hope to elect

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI)

58%

Liberty Score^™

Voting Record

F

58%

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI)

as House Speaker, Oct. 29, or as soon as the budget deal is passed, said Horowitz.

That rapid process is expected to minimize the populist blowback from the GOP’s diverse base as—once again—the GOP leadership fails to fight for their voters’ priorities, he said. So far, said Horowitz, Ryan “is either silent or complicit in it” in the back-room deal.

The budget outlined early Oct. 27:

• Would hide one hugely unpopular increase in the federal government’s credit limit — dubbed the ‘debt ceiling’ — within the larger and unprecedented two-year government budget dispute. That’s much less politically painful that undergoing two debates to pass two one-year debt-ceiling votes.
• Would provide contractors and agencies with roughly $112 billion in extra domestic and military spending until October 2017, and give legislators the ability to claim the the extra spending will be offset by future spending cuts, as far distant as 2025.
• Would spend so much money— more than $1 trillion on defense, for example — and will be rushed through Congress so fast that few voters will notice how the deal imposes aa two-year delay on the 2011 “sequestration” budget-plan that has sharply slowed the growth of federal spending since 2011.
• Would eliminate most budget debates before the next presidential election, saving incumbents from casting election-year budget votes that would annoy donors, party loyalists or swing-voters.
• Would block a sharp increase in Medicare payments due from older voters.
• Would deny Congress the “power of the purse” for two years, while leaving Obama freer to push his last-year progressive agenda via regulations and management directives. For example, Obama has used his management power to accept more than 240,000 Central American migrants since 2010.

This surrender of congressional power would allow Republicans and Democrats to shrug their shoulders every time voters protest when Obama ticks another item off his political bucket-list — Accept Muslim refugees? Offer a new type of amnesty to illegals? Impose tougher curbs on energy use? Free domestic criminals? Convert another region into national park? Reduce military standards to boost weaker female soldiers or force salutes of sex-blurring cross-dressers? Expand Obamacare?

The draft deal does not include any mention of curbs on immigrants, migrants, refugees, work permits, border, parole, or sentencing, Planned Parenthood, or Obama’s nuclear deal with Iran.

It would also ensure that the new president—Republican or Democrat—could not pass a big budget during their first, and most important year in office.

That provision is welcomed by both parties because it would partially offset the loss of the presidential election. It could also be good for

Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY)

51%

Liberty Score^™

Voting Record

F

51%

Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY)

’s GOP Senators in the Senate, who are expected to lose their majority because many Democratic-leaning States will pick Senators in 2016.

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[DE]

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