ARTICLE V CONVENTION? I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!

[Bob Russell]

There are many people, some who erroneously call themselves conservatives, panting at the idea of and calling for a Constitutional Convention as a resolution to the dilemma of politicians ignoring and violating the current document.  What those poor, demented fools don't understand, despite my numerous attempts to enlighten them, is that the ruling class political elitists will either abolish the current document altogether, which is the most likely outcome, or continue to ignore any restraints on their power.  Power hungry despots, if the Article V idea were to succeed, will only continue the treasonous actions they currently engage in because they hold We the People and the idea of God-given rights to be absurd at the best and dangerous to their absolute power at worst.  Tyrants like barak obama, harry reid, nancy pelosi, mitch mcconnell, and their henchmen see themselves as better, smarter, and more deserving of power than the "unwashed masses" of peasants called We the People and will simply ignore any addendums an Article V would put on them.  The only solutions to our current situation are a return to the Judeo/Christian precepts the nation was founded on or a full blown rebellion as our founders went through, and that rebellion on the doorstep. 

read more:

http://www.conservativedailynews.com/2016/01/article-v-convention-i...

[Alice Jordan]

Gene Duncan,

 First off, thank you, second thing i am far from a know it all, but my brother Hank and I are learning. I have also joined up with a group only known as the Dirty Dozen who built a program called, "The Network".

 Now this here is newly released information, oh about 2 months ago.

 Randy E. Barnett's Endorsement of Convention Of States: http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topics/convention-of-states-endor...

 CFR Members released a argument, that clearly stated that outsiders infiltrated our Constitutional Laws.

 there is so much taking place, and there was a forum ' blog, at The Tea Party Command Center. that went viral, and its still growing on the net. Any way, it is called, "A 50 States Convention Program- Article V of the Constitution:http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topics/a-50-states-convention-pro... "

 The thing is the network team noticed the same issues at other blogs, name calling, vulgar images, and no one did anything against them people in the blogs, but Tif's Blog remains closed ?

 Its important to understand, how to use information, and this last little drop in the forums, I guess it set off a few people, but the Intel is correct.

Obama hold sets of Office as President Of the United States, and at the UN .

Obama First US President To Chair UN Security Council, is really Operated by CFR

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+obama+can+be+president+and+hold...

  Change Has Come To America, Obama First US President To Chair UN Security Council

Obama First US President To
Chair UN Security Council
RightSoup.com
9-12-9
 

Some unprecedented news, folks. Never in the history of the United Nations has a U.S. President taken the chairmanship of the powerful UN Security Council. Perhaps it is because of what could arguably be a Constitutional prohibition against doing so. To wit: Section 9 of the Constitution says:
 
  No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
 
Nonetheless, the rotating chairmanship of the council goes to the U.S. this month. The normal course of business would have U.S. Ambassador to the UN Susan Rice take the gavel. However, this time will be different. Constitution be damned, Barack Hussein Obama has decided to put HIMSELF in the drivers seat, and will preside over global nuclear non-proliferation and disarmament talks slated to begin September 24th. The Financial Times says:
 
  Barack Obama will cement the new co-operative relationship between the US and the United Nations this month when he becomes the first American president to chair its 15-member Security Council.
 
  The topic for the summit-level session of the council on September 24 is nuclear non-proliferation and nuclear disarmament - one of several global challenges that the US now wants to see addressed at a multinational level.
 
  UN officials also hope a climate change debate on September 22 will give fresh impetus to the search for a global climate deal at Copenhagen in December. There are also hopes a possible meeting between Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli prime minister, and Mahmoud Abbas, Palestinian Authority president, that Mr. Obama would host, could lead to a breakthrough about a timetable for Middle East peace.
 
Here is what the UN Security Council does. Picture Obama as the Chair of this committee with this power.
 
Under the UN Charter, the functions and powers of the Security Council are:
 
* to maintain international peace and security in accordance with the principles and purposes of the United Nations
 
* to investigate any dispute or situation which might lead to international friction
 
* to recommend methods of adjusting such disputes or the terms of settlement
 
* to formulate plans for the establishment of a system to regulate armaments
 
* to determine the existence of a threat to the peace or act of aggression and to recommend what action should be taken
 
* to call on Members to apply economic sanctions and other measures not involving the use of force to prevent or stop aggression
 
* to take military action against an aggressor
 
* to recommend the admission of new Members
 
* to exercise the trusteeship functions of the United Nations in "strategic areas"
 
* to recommend to the General Assembly the appointment of the Secretary-General and, together with the Assembly, to elect the Judges of the International Court of Justice.
 
No American president has ever attempted to acquire the image of King of the Universe by officiating at a meeting of the UN's highest body. Obama apparently believes that being flanked by council-member heads of state like Col. Moammar Qaddafi - who is expected to be seated five seats to Obama's right - will cast a sufficiently blinding spell on Americans.
 
He undoubtedly hopes that the horrid state of the nation's economy, turmoil over health care, and a summer of racial scapegoating will pale by comparison. This role as UN Security Council chair will allow him to make decisions, influence legislation and resolutions, and set the agenda.
 
Right Soup will be closely following this very unsettling turn of events. Like I always say, pay attention to what Obama DOES.
 http://rightsoup.com/while-we-were-looking-the-other-way-obama-to-b...



from the site: http://www.rense.com/general87/ob1.htm

I will reply on this or other information needed, thank you for allowing the share.

[Virginia Foulk]

Next to Hillary Dillery wanting to consider Obama as a Supreme Court Justice, I also had read and passed on another article suggesting that Obama was considering running for the UN Secretary-General spot.  Several others decided that wouldn't happen. I'm not sure, still think he will pursue some World-wide agenda.  After all, he believes he is the greatest to happen to the world. And that he is ordained to be top dog - perhaps emperor of the New World One?  So continue to check it out..

[kevin kiernan]

He would love the UN job..............http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/8/l-todd-wood-netanyah...

[Virginia Foulk]

Yupe, that's one of the articles.

[Alice Jordan]

Supreme Court Justice, these guys, to undo a issue is knowledge.

United States Bill of Rights- Magna Carta 1215
Magna Carta (1215)

The Bill of Rights is the collective name for the first ten amendments to the United States Constitution. Proposed to assuage the fears of Anti-Federalists who had opposed Constitutional ratification, these amendments guarantee a number of personal freedoms, limit the government's power in judicial and other proceedings, and reserve some powers to the states and the public. Originally the amendments applied only to the federal government, however, most were subsequently applied to the government of each state by way of the Fourteenth Amendment, through a process known as incorporation.

On June 8, 1789 Representative James Madison introduced a series of thirty-nine amendments to the constitution in the House of Representatives. Among his recommendations Madison proposed opening up the Constitution and inserting specific rights limiting the power of Congress in Article One, Section 9. Seven of these limitations would become part of the ten ratified Bill of Rights amendments. Ultimately, on September 25, 1789, Congress approved twelve articles of amendment to the Constitution and submitted them to the states for ratification. Contrary to Madison's original proposal that the articles be incorporated into the main body of the Constitution, they were proposed as "supplemental" additions to it. On December 15, 1791, Articles Three–Twelve, having been ratified by the required number of states, became Amendments One–Ten of the Constitution.

On May 7, 1992, after an unprecedented period of 202 years, 225 days, Article Two crossed the Constitutional threshold for ratification and became the Twenty-seventh Amendment. As a result, Article One alone remains unratified and still pending before the states.

The Bill of Rights enumerates freedoms not explicitly indicated in the main body of the Constitution, such as freedom of religion, freedom of speech, a free press, and free assembly; the right to keep and bear arms; freedom from unreasonable search and seizure, security in personal effects, and freedom from warrants issued without probable cause; indictment by a grand jury for any capital or "infamous crime"; guarantee of a speedy, public trial with an impartial jury; and prohibition of double jeopardy. In addition, the Bill of Rights reserves for the people any rights not specifically mentioned in the Constitution and reserves all powers not specifically granted to the federal government to the people or the States. The Bill was influenced by George Mason's 1776 Virginia Declaration of Rights, the English Bill of Rights 1689, and earlier English political documents such as Magna Carta (1215)


The Bill of Rights had little judicial impact for the first 150 years of its existence[further explanation needed], but was the basis for many Supreme Court decisions of the 20th and 21st centuries. One of the first fourteen copies of the Bill of Rights is on public display at the National Archives in Washington, D.C.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights

Constitution of the United Kingdom
Magna Carta 1215 — clauses 1, 9, and 29, as enumerated in 1297

The constitution of the United Kingdom is the sum of laws and principles that make up the body politic of the United Kingdom. It concerns both the relationship between the individual and the state, and the functioning of the legislature, the executive and judiciary. Unlike many other nations, the UK has no single constitutional document. This is sometimes expressed by stating that it has an uncodified or "unwritten" constitution. Much of the British constitution is embodied in written documents, within statutes, court judgments, works of authority and treaties. The constitution has other unwritten sources, including parliamentary constitutional conventions.

Since the Glorious Revolution in 1688, the bedrock of the British constitution has traditionally been the doctrine of parliamentary sovereignty, according to which the statutes passed by Parliament are the UK's supreme and final source of law. It follows that Parliament can change the constitution simply by passing new Acts of Parliament. There is some debate about whether this principle remains valid, particularly in light of the UK's membership in the European Union.
Main articles: History of the Constitution of the United Kingdom and History of Scots law.
In 2004, a Joint Committee of the House of Commons and the House of Lords discussed that "the fundamental parts of constitutional law could be taken to include the following statutes":[6]

    Magna Carta 1215 — clauses 1, 9, and 29, as enumerated in 1297, remain in statute; asserts the freedom of the English church, the liberties of the City of London among others, and establishes the right to due process
    Bill of Rights 1689 — secures parliamentary supremacy over the monarch, the result of the Glorious Revolution
    Crown and Parliament Recognition Act 1689 — confirms the succession to the throne and the validity of the laws passed by the Convention Parliament
    Act of Settlement 1701 — settles the succession of the Crown
    Acts of Union 1707 — union of England and Scotland
    Act of Union 1800 — union of Great Britain and Ireland
    Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949 — asserts the supremacy of the House of Commons by limiting the legislation-blocking powers of the House of Lords
    Life Peerages Act 1958 — establishes standards for the creation of life peers which gives the Prime Minister the ability to change the composition of the House of Lords
    Emergency Powers Act 1964 — provides power to employ members of the armed forces in work of national importance
    European Communities Act 1972 — incorporates European law into UK law
    House of Commons Disqualification Act 1975 — prohibits certain categories of people, such as judges, from becoming members of the House of Commons
    Ministerial and Other Salaries Act 1975 — governs ministerial salaries
    British Nationality Act 1981 — revises the basis of British nationality law
    Senior Courts Act 1981 (originally Supreme Court Act 1981) — defines the structure of the Senior Courts (then called the Supreme Court) of England and Wales
    Representation of the People Act 1983 — updates the British electoral process
    Scotland Act 1998 — creates the Scottish Parliament and devolves certain powers to it
    Government of Wales Act 1998 — creates the Welsh Assembly and devolves certain powers to it
    Northern Ireland Act 1998 — creates the Northern Ireland Assembly and devolves certain powers to it
    Human Rights Act 1998 — incorporates the European Convention on Human Rights into UK law
    House of Lords Act 1999 — reforms the House of Lords removing most hereditary peers
    Civil Contingencies Act 2004 — establishes a framework for national and local emergency planning and response

Since then, the following statues of a constitutional nature have become law:

    Constitutional Reform Act 2005 — creates the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom and guarantees judicial independence
    Constitutional Reform and Governance Act 2010 — reforms the Royal Prerogative and makes other significant changes
    Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 — introduces fixed-term parliaments of 5 years
    Succession to the Crown Act 2013 — alters the laws of succession to the British throne
    Magna Carta 1215
Constitutional Convention (United States)
Magna Carta (Latin for "the Great Charter"), also called Magna Carta Libertatum (Latin for "the Great Charter of the Liberties"), is a charter agreed by King John of England at Runnymede, near Windsor, on 15 June 1215. First drafted by the Archbishop of Canterbury to make peace between the unpopular King and a group of rebel barons, it promised the protection of church rights, protection for the barons from illegal imprisonment, access to swift justice, and limitations on feudal payments to the Crown, to be implemented through a council of 25 barons. Neither side stood behind their commitments, and the charter was annulled by Pope Innocent III, leading to the First Barons' War. After John's death, the regency government of his young son, Henry III, reissued the document in 1216, stripped of some of its more radical content, in an unsuccessful bid to build political support for their cause. At the end of the war in 1217, it formed part of the peace treaty agreed at Lambeth, where the document acquired the name Magna Carta, to distinguish it from the smaller Charter of the Forest which was issued at the same time. Short of funds, Henry reissued the charter again in 1225 in exchange for a grant of new taxes; his son, Edward I, repeated the exercise in 1297, this time confirming it as part of England's statute law.

The charter became part of English political life and was typically renewed by each monarch in turn, although as time went by and the fledgling English Parliament passed new laws, it lost some of its practical significance. At the end of the 16th century there was an upsurge in interest in Magna Carta. Lawyers and historians at the time believed that there was an ancient English constitution, going back to the days of the Anglo-Saxons, that protected individual English freedoms. They argued that the Norman invasion of 1066 had overthrown these rights, and that Magna Carta had been a popular attempt to restore them, making the charter an essential foundation for the contemporary powers of Parliament and legal principles such as habeas corpus. Although this historical account was badly flawed, jurists such as Sir Edward Coke used Magna Carta extensively in the early 17th century, arguing against the divine right of kings propounded by the Stuart monarchs. Both James I and his son Charles I attempted to suppress the discussion of Magna Carta, until the issue was curtailed by the English Civil War of the 1640s and the execution of Charles.

The political myth of Magna Carta and its protection of ancient personal liberties persisted after the Glorious Revolution of 1688 until well into the 19th century. It influenced the early American colonists in the Thirteen Colonies and the formation of the American Constitution in 1787, which became the supreme law of the land in the new republic of the United States. Research by Victorian historians showed that the original 1215 charter had concerned the medieval relationship between the monarch and the barons, rather than the rights of ordinary people, but the charter remained a powerful, iconic document, even after almost all of its content was repealed from the statute books in the 19th and 20th centuries. Magna Carta still forms an important symbol of liberty today, often cited by politicians and campaigners, and is held in great respect by the British and American legal communities, Lord Denning describing it as "the greatest constitutional document of all times – the foundation of the freedom of the individual against the arbitrary authority of the despot".
In the 21st century, four exemplifications of the original 1215 charter remain in existence, held by the British Library and the cathedrals of Lincoln and Salisbury. There are also a handful of the subsequent charters in public and private ownership, including copies of the 1297 charter in both the United States and Australia. The original charters were written on parchment sheets using quill pens, in heavily abbreviated medieval Latin, which was the convention for legal documents at that time. Each was sealed with the royal great seal (made of beeswax and resin sealing wax): very few of the seals have survived. Although scholars refer to the 63 numbered "clauses" of Magna Carta, this is a modern system of numbering, introduced by Sir William Blackstone in 1759; the original charter formed a single, long unbroken text. The four original 1215 charters were displayed together at the British Library for one day, 3 February 2015, to mark the 800th anniversary of Magna Carta.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta

Constitution of the United Kingdom-  Magna Carta 1215


Magna Carta
Magna Carta (British Library Cotton MS Augustus II.106).jpg
Cotton MS. Augustus II. 106, one of only four surviving exemplifications of the 1215 text.
Created     1215
Location     British Library and the cathedrals of Lincoln and Salisbury
Author(s)     John, King of England, his barons and Stephen Langton
Purpose     Peace treaty
Part of a series of articles on
Monarchy
Heraldic Royal Crown

Magna Carta (Latin for "the Great Charter"), also called Magna Carta Libertatum (Latin for "the Great Charter of the Liberties"), is a charter agreed by King John of England at Runnymede, near Windsor, on 15 June 1215.[a] First drafted by the Archbishop of Canterbury to make peace between the unpopular King and a group of rebel barons, it promised the protection of church rights, protection for the barons from illegal imprisonment, access to swift justice, and limitations on feudal payments to the Crown, to be implemented through a council of 25 barons. Neither side stood behind their commitments, and the charter was annulled by Pope Innocent III, leading to the First Barons' War. After John's death, the regency government of his young son, Henry III, reissued the document in 1216, stripped of some of its more radical content, in an unsuccessful bid to build political support for their cause. At the end of the war in 1217, it formed part of the peace treaty agreed at Lambeth, where the document acquired the name Magna Carta, to distinguish it from the smaller Charter of the Forest which was issued at the same time. Short of funds, Henry reissued the charter again in 1225 in exchange for a grant of new taxes; his son, Edward I, repeated the exercise in 1297, this time confirming it as part of England's statute law.

The charter became part of English political life and was typically renewed by each monarch in turn, although as time went by and the fledgling English Parliament passed new laws, it lost some of its practical significance. At the end of the 16th century there was an upsurge in interest in Magna Carta. Lawyers and historians at the time believed that there was an ancient English constitution, going back to the days of the Anglo-Saxons, that protected individual English freedoms. They argued that the Norman invasion of 1066 had overthrown these rights, and that Magna Carta had been a popular attempt to restore them, making the charter an essential foundation for the contemporary powers of Parliament and legal principles such as habeas corpus. Although this historical account was badly flawed, jurists such as Sir Edward Coke used Magna Carta extensively in the early 17th century, arguing against the divine right of kings propounded by the Stuart monarchs. Both James I and his son Charles I attempted to suppress the discussion of Magna Carta, until the issue was curtailed by the English Civil War of the 1640s and the execution of Charles.

The political myth of Magna Carta and its protection of ancient personal liberties persisted after the Glorious Revolution of 1688 until well into the 19th century. It influenced the early American colonists in the Thirteen Colonies and the formation of the American Constitution in 1787, which became the supreme law of the land in the new republic of the United States.[b] Research by Victorian historians showed that the original 1215 charter had concerned the medieval relationship between the monarch and the barons, rather than the rights of ordinary people, but the charter remained a powerful, iconic document, even after almost all of its content was repealed from the statute books in the 19th and 20th centuries. Magna Carta still forms an important symbol of liberty today, often cited by politicians and campaigners, and is held in great respect by the British and American legal communities, Lord Denning describing it as "the greatest constitutional document of all times – the foundation of the freedom of the individual against the arbitrary authority of the despot".[1]

In the 21st century, four exemplifications of the original 1215 charter remain in existence, held by the British Library and the cathedrals of Lincoln and Salisbury. There are also a handful of the subsequent charters in public and private ownership, including copies of the 1297 charter in both the United States and Australia. The original charters were written on parchment sheets using quill pens, in heavily abbreviated medieval Latin, which was the convention for legal documents at that time. Each was sealed with the royal great seal (made of beeswax and resin sealing wax): very few of the seals have survived. Although scholars refer to the 63 numbered "clauses" of Magna Carta, this is a modern system of numbering, introduced by Sir William Blackstone in 1759; the original charter formed a single, long unbroken text. The four original 1215 charters were displayed together at the British Library for one day, 3 February 2015, to mark the 800th anniversary of Magna Carta.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta

The English Bill of Rights 1689
The Bill of Rights is an Act of the Parliament of England that deals with constitutional matters and lays out certain basic civil rights.[1][nb 1] Passed on 16 December 1689, it is a restatement in statutory form of the Declaration of Right presented by the Convention Parliament to William and Mary in February 1689, inviting them to become joint sovereigns of England.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Rights_1689

[kevin kiernan]

[Bob Russell]

Again I ask, who is going to force the despots to obey when they now do as they please and how is this going to be enforced?  also, the new world order owns the political parties and the political parties own even state politicians,  This all sounds good but it is "pie in the sky" hopes that the political elite won't just ignore us.  It is worth a try but I still believe a very well-armed citizenry with a stout rope is the only sure-fire solution to tyranny.

[kevin kiernan]

Bob, We will use Article V at some point because that is how to do it legally. It just might be that we will have to get to that point via. Revolution. Hope not...With Lavoy`s death, many more are starting to learn of the criminal acts of the BLM. Congress is talking about this issue . The talk may just be water cooler talk. But it is a step in the right direction (hopefully). We the people now must increase pressure and not let up. Protests are a must. Rally`s are a must .Million man marches are a must. Trucker traffic jams are a must. You name it. IT`S A MUST.....After all this must stuff,I am sure the talk will leave the water cooler and get on the floor of Congress.When a million man militia , gathers together in a single county. And demands things. I am sure it will work. If a shot is fired during any of this. Make damn sure it is the Federal government firing first....That is kinda how I see it. ..Sounds good anyway. When the call to action is given I`ll come get you and we will put in for KP duty...You in?

[Bob Russell]

Kevin, all congress will do is talk, and only do so to stave off the inevitable until they can kill as many patriots as possible in an attempt to stop the coming revolution, and it IS COMING!!!!!  I am all for any kind of peaceful demonstration, march, traffic jam, or whatever.  When I am able I will be happy to join in, but not for KP duty.  If I am going to be there I will be there to be in the trenches, not in the kitchen.  I will recover from the stroke because God will reward my faith, all the prayers being lifted up on my behalf, and my efforts towards recovery.  If necessary I will give my life for the cause of liberty as I have no fear of death because that means I will then become a member of the army Jesus will bring with Him to defeat the forces of evil that now control this nation.

[kevin kiernan]

I am of the mind that the Base will need defending. I think you and I are past an infiltration type of use. Defending a base will be needed . Helping supply and support front line operations. I can only speak for myself, But I am sure that will be were I can help the most WTSHTF . We can not let our Pride get in the way of good fighters.If they worry about us. then we are a detriment to the cause. I realize my role. And I will be good at it....I will have a rifle next to my pots and pans.

[Bob Russell]

I will do what is necessary and pride has nothing to do with it.  I know I am not currently able to be much help but I an still defend a position but not interested in hanging out in a kitchen.  When God finishes healing me it won't take long to get back into fighting condition.  Before the stroke I worked out at least 5 days a week and would ride my bicycle 4 or 5 miles a day. I was in fighting trim and as well conditioned as any combat soldier.  I can get back there.

[kevin kiernan]

I might have spoke a little wrong, But I did say that I could only speak for myself..At any rate the offer of a ride stands if needed.And when you get better from your stroke,I am sure you will be an asset to the fight for Liberty. And let me say they when you get hungry. I will have a good meal ready for all Patriots who have an empty stomach..