Lets list differences in stated beliefs between Conservatives and Liberals

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Lets list differences in stated beliefs between Conservatives and Liberals

• Posted by The Tradesman on September 23

Elitist/Libels. Being the heirs to the old time barons and european royalty they began thinking that only they could correctly decide what justice was, how to properly dispense it, and without them having a firm hand on society's controls there would be anarchy. They thought and still do that the peasants (that's us average working stiffs) would be a thousand times less likely to properly govern ourselves. 

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Conservatives know by experience they can properly govern themselves far far better than the Elitists can.

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Elitist/Liberals try by mass education gauged to the lowest common denominator for what they call social justice sakes have failed to educate the masses into pseudo intelligent beings that could raise their heads as high as the Elitist/Liberals. That is the audacity and arrogance of that class of rulers. They ignore the spark of ability in the peasants and take their ideas for themselves. 

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Conservatives take education seriously because they know about the pitfalls of not knowing real history and strive to teach their young how to think through a problem.

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Elitist/Liberals believe that the common man can slop some artist colors on a canvass and call it art. They also believe that a container with a crucifix in it and filled with urine is art too. What happens when some liberal trained person writes a lot of disconnected tripe and nonsense on a piece of perfectly good paper thereby ruining it. They Laud them as poets. 

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Conservatives know a load of crap before they smell it, same goes for artsy fartsy crap.

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The most basic difference between Elitist/Liberals is; 

The Elitist Liberal professes that every human being has a right to respect, dignity and all material things equally distributed among the populace despite not doing anything to earn the rights, because by being a human being they deserve them and society owes them to the people gratis.

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Conservatives live in the real world and know there ain't no such thing as a free lunch. Someone has to pay. 

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Elitist/Liberals believe they themselves, solely by dint of their superior standing, superior brainpower, self anointed 'Benefactor to Mankind' status, deserve even more of the "Equally Distributed" equality factors than the lesser breeds they have decided to think for. 

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Conservatives know and believe that a man only deserves what he has earned and should have a right to keep what he earns without the Elitist/Liberals demanding he give a portion of it away to others who have not done anything to earn something. 

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How come when it's a Government using violence (Force of Law w/punishment for non-compliance) to take away what was rightfully earned by an individual it's called basically a necessary Social Justice device to redistribute the wealth fairly, when a person using violence to take from an individual what was rightfully earned by that individual, it's called Theft?

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The Tradesman

How many more differences can you add to the list?

[Thomas Vincent Coffey]

The assertion that conservatism is not dependent on ideology, politics or religion, which I agree with, comes from the" Conservative Mind" of Russell Kirk; an acolyte of Bill Buckley.

Reflect a moment on the deadly impact the cult of Islam, masquerading as a religion, has had on the heart and  mind of the Muslim.

Further, consider the 6th Commandment; "Thou shalt not kill" Before it is a moral order it is a behavior that must be adhered for culture /society to survive.

So too w/the 7th,"Thou shall not commit adultery" Why? Because permitting it destroys the Family Unit, the foundation of civilization.

The Ancients understood that experience rather than morality is sufficient to grasp the eternal wisdom of these principles.

[Rhodes]

I had a pollster call yesterday and they caught me in a good mood so I agreed to talk to them.

Every question had as a list of answers the cliche liberal vs conservative responses. Absolutely none of them could I choose honestly, and finally I decided I smelt a rat and just told them I didnt have time for this and hung up.

Even though the LNP is a ship of fools and nothing to do with the classic libertarian ideals that springs from the concept of self ownership it is impossible to have any sort of debate and exclude it due to just how many have, though reason, adopted this philosophy.

I concur this is anything but accidental, yall have to fit into nice neat boxes or else they dont know which lie to feed you, my guess of course. 

BTW the sixth commandment originally(and properly) was "Thou shall not commit murder", else how would it wash with the Israelite army in it's conquest of the Canaanites. There is a monumental difference after all. One not lost on the persons of the time.

[M]

Actually Thomas the sixth commandment was originally "Thou Shall Not Commit Murder" A distinction that was well know in those days. I still say that Conservatism today is strongly influenced by the old standard Moral code the progressives have trashed. It used to be that the geay area was very narrow and the ideas of right and wrong were influenced by the Judeo-Christian traditional moraes.

[Thomas Vincent Coffey]

The Douay-Rheims Version of the Old Testament uses the words "Thou shall not kill." Period.

And so what????? It's has absolutely nothing to do w/my core point, namely that the Decalogue is intuitive if culture/society is to survive and prosper and a religious impulse isn't necessary to to grasp that cold fact. The Natural Law is an inherent reality as Plato and the wise Greeks internalized 500 years B.C.

Both Locke and Burke saw the grave danger in conflating conservatism w/religion as they understood that Man is not a perfectible creature nor is paradise possible in this life.

But the secular heretics refuse to accept this reality and an earthly paradise has been their siren song since the French Enlightenment from assorted crackpots among them Voltaire, Rousseau, St.Just, Diderot; among others; all cloaked in the instincts and jargon of religion. A prime example is the social gospel nostrum beloved by lefties masking their lust for power. Does Karl Marx ring a bell???

Religion is other worldly in focus w/a strong spiritual pull and a vital component of our existence. But as for me, the farther principled conservatism stays from religion. the better for both of them.

[M]

Thomas,

All I am saying is that the religions excepting Islam gave us the moral foundations from whatever source that was once the underpinnings of American Society when it was on the build and not as now when it's on the decline mainly because the Progressives have tricked us into deserting those moral underpinnings. Progressives have turned it around to show crime and corruption does pay or Hillary would have had to answer for her actions instead of being given a free ride Legally when there was enough tangible evidence to force her to answer in Court under oath and face her accusers. Many on her side of the fence believe there is not enough evidence. I believe there is physical evidence in the form of e-mails and even those may be considered circumstantial but Circumstantial evidence has been used to bring multitudes to trial for a finding of the facts in a structured environment.

I used that little tirade deliberately to show the difference between what once was in America that was considered Conservative in what was once considered a common sense way. A way we seem to no longer adhere to with the New Wave bull crap put out by the Liberals to replace traditional ans I might add Workable values.

[Hankelvis]

Scientology's description of the antisocial person is spot on but the rest of it is BS. Nam Sain?

[Hankelvis]

You are right Hank here is what Scientology has to say about it..
The Antisocial Personality
There are certain characteristics and mental attitudes which cause about 20 percent of a race to oppose violently any betterment activity or group.
Such people are known to have antisocial tendencies.
When the legal or political structure of a country becomes such as to favor such personalities in positions of trust, then all the civilizing organizations of the country become suppressed and a barbarism of criminality and economic duress ensues.
Crime and criminal acts are perpetrated by antisocial personalities. Inmates of institutions commonly trace their state back to contact with such personalities.
Thus, in the fields of government, police activities and mental health, to name a few, we see that it is important to be able to detect and isolate this personality type so as to protect society and individuals from the destructive consequences attendant upon letting such have free rein to injure others.
As they only comprise 20 percent of the population and as only 2 1/2 percent are truly dangerous, we see that with a very small amount of effort we could considerably better the state of society.
Well-known, even stellar, examples of such a personality are, of course, Napoleon and Hitler. Dillinger, Pretty Boy Floyd, Christie and other famous criminals were well-known examples of the antisocial personality. But with such a cast of characters in history we neglect the less stellar examples and do not perceive that such personalities exist in current life, very common, often undetected.
When we trace the cause of a failing business, we will inevitably discover somewhere in its ranks the antisocial personality hard at work.
In families which are breaking up, we commonly find one or the other of the persons involved to have such a personality.
Where life has become rough and is failing, a careful review of the area by a trained observer will detect one or more such personalities at work.
As there are 80 percent of us trying to get along and only 20 percent trying to prevent us, our lives would be much easier to live were we well informed as to the exact manifestations of such a personality. Thus, we could detect it and save ourselves much failure and heartbreak.
It is important then to examine and list the attributes of the antisocial personality. Influencing as it does the daily lives of so many, it well behooves decent people to become better informed on this subject.

10 people, 8 good and 2 bad
A relatively small proportion of a race, about 20 percent, possess antisocial characteristics. They cause trouble for the remaining 80 percent out of proportion to their number.

[Rhodes]

Hows the sanity Hank?

The greatest contribution of Star Trek to the wisdom of mankind was this simple pearl;

In an insane society it is the sane man that must appear insane.

As we watch this civilization grow more insane by the day the gravity of that truism becomes exponential, not unlike a spaceship approaching the theoretic event horizon of a black hole from which there is no escape.

Imagine a world where people take such utter nonsense as scientology(sic) for truth and you have the insane society. I only wish it was the worst of it. 

Last night most of us watched the the thrusters of our little spaceship propel us into final descent. Though how many understood what they saw is an unknown, rational thinking is not an "in thing" recently, or ever really.

Even a protest at this point seems absent of much value but that's a judgement call. BFYTW still rings with a bit of tone.

Anyway I guess as long as person isn't holding steel paddles and being interrogated as a means of spirituality they have not hit bottom yet. 

Here's to sanity, wherever it may be.

[Debra Beatty]

I have to say thank you again. I have learned.

[Rhodes]

And from the sidelines (or rather from outside the stadium) the libertarians say...

 

[Hankelvis]

"BFYTW" the union mantra of the union candidate who's union mentors are controlled by Organized "Ronger Together" Crime who actually put Bill and Barack in office. More precisely, "FYYFF" is much more indicative of their collective, organized, tone.

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