WHY WE LOST!

[Frederick L Neff]

I have heard many out there, from pundits to the average Joe asking "Why We Lost". I have heard this from Democrats of all parts of the spectrum as well as many so called Republicans, so I will effort to answer this question.

I have heard all kinds of explanations, from misreading polling data, to angry white men, and they're all wrong. The question now is where to begin. There are a plethora of places to start so lets begin with the Democratic Party.

First lets dispel a little misconception, it is the Democratic party that supported slavery, while the republicans supported civil rights, the Democratic party supported segregation, it was a Democrat Colonel that started the KKK as a Military wing of the Democratic party in the south, targeting not just any random black individual but aspiring black political figures and the Republicans that supported them,this is Historical fact, not supposition, look it up in any history book. What does this have to do with today? The secret to understanding this question is understanding the Democrat party never abandoned slavery, they merely molded it into a 21 century version based on economics instead of race, you see the economics based slavery is so much less messy than slavery based on race, creed or sex. This is where it gets messy, because many of what we call "establishment" Republicans have followed the lead of their left side counterparts and joined the ranks of what are now called the "elites". These elites are both Democrat and Republicans now that feel their "high education" allows them the privilege of telling others how to live their lives, "We know better better because were educated" is often the explanation. Ironically this could not be farther from the truth, education does not denote intelligence, just ask anyone who live in a college town, they will explain. Is this not the same position as the slave master directing the slave? They take from the fruits of your labor to distribute what they decide is equitable, don't pay what they decide is a fair portion and they hunt you down and take what they feel is  theirs, and they now tell you what you must spend your money on, because they know better. Set aside ownership documentation and this explanation fits the everyday lives of every working american, and none suffer worse than the working poor, who merely sit in wait for the day when then their small gains toward financial independence are taxed away from them. The Democrats pander to minority's, promising them hope, the establishment republicans pander to the independent business owner promising them hope, all the while both figuring how to take as much as they can of what you have to feed their own greed and keep you slaving to provide them with more.

Why did Trump win? College educated or not, hes a brawling street kid, like most of the working poor in America, and those middle Americans are tired of being told to shut up and take it. Will he deliver?Only time will tell.        

[marrand]

Jack:
I disagree with your assumption, which really is mere speculation on your part.

Are you saying, that if Hillary had spent more time in Wisconsin, Michigan, PA and Ohio, she could have carried most of them? Ok, this is campaign strategy. She could have been there much more often if you were her campagin manager. But even you, Jack, could not convince Obama, Biden, Michelle, and Bill to drag along with her each time. And don't you agree she needed them? That she alone just didn't have the draw? Do you really think she alone could have convinced the Trump voters in those states to change their votes? OR, convince more to come out and vote?

You bank your interpretation of dems' loss on campaign strategy. In my book the two main factors for her loss were:
1. The liberal agenda (i.e. the issues)
2. Hillary was just an awful candidate.

Please note: Obama had the same problem - #1. But certainly not #2. Easier when you have fewer problems.

[Thomas Vincent Coffey]

Looking out from his perch, the Lone Ranger said to Tonto; "We're surrounded! by Apache!!!" to which Tonto retorted;"What you menum we???"

All this 'we' talk (Democrats) is blather. The political establishment lost, both D's and R's. Let's get real.

Fredrick of Prussia asserted that great leadership demands relentless audacity which Trump exhibits in spades. In effect, he is running the country, a month before inauguration!

Won't be long before the R weenies start bitching and moaning that he doesn't respect their prerogatives and privileges. Watch and listen.

Long past time a baseball bat was applied to these frauds and hustlers, like Graham and McCain.

[kevin kiernan]

BINGO.....

[M]

Too bad the exiting Congress did not censure Obama to keep him from doing what he is to discredit Trump's presidency and maybe start a shooting war between Israel and the Muslim factions in the Mid East. I am not a Birther but I pray Trump orders Obama's sealed records opened to the FBI and DOJ, Then if there is cause, opened to the public. O's Birth Certificate was forensically examined by two different disciplines in different areas of the Country and found to be a forged document. The public deserves to know beyond a shadow of a doubt and should it be found that O was not eligible the last 8 years will be erased. Every executive order, every appointment, every law signed by him.even the SCOTUS justices. Corruption should not be allowed to rule if he's found to be a fraud himself.

[kevin kiernan]

That would be wild M.Could you imagine.

[marrand]

M:
What do you mean "forensically examined"??? Two different groups had the original paper, the certificate in their hands? To touch and analyze? Are you serious?

I presume you do not mean the pdf file which was published on internet. It was supposed to have been a scan of the original document. I saw it, downloaded it, and was able to prove to myself it was a forgery, consisting of several elements stiched together. But that doesn't mean anything. Heck, I took a real birth certificate, scanned it, and checked to be sure the document is real. It was. Then I was able to deconstruct it into pieces, and stitch back together again. And lo and behold I had an electronic forgery of the original document!! It meant nothing. Why would Obama do that if he had the real original? It's obvious: to trap any doubters.

Unless the original paper is examined by humans and their instruments, we have no proof of anything. If he wasn't born in USA, then what is in the sealed records? I got a feeling they are destroyed by now, to be sure forgeries can't be found and proven to be forgeries. A lot of important people and billions of dollars are on the line here; those people made sure they won't be discovered for something as serious as this.

[M]

Marrand,

I based that on the public press conference held by Sheriff Joe Arpiao where he deatail the tests and the experts he had examine the document. Watch the video; Sheriff Joe Arpaio:

Obama’s Birth Certificate is Forgery Press Conference 12/15/16; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuhF-Ok3djI

[marrand]

M:
I listened to the clip carefully. As I suspected, the man did say clearly that the document they examined, the document they proved to be a forgery, was a digitized copy taken from a public website.

And that's the document I downloaded and in a different way decontstructed - proved it was a collection of several parts. Then I did that same to real document - i.e. made it look like a forgery purposely. Curious thing: if you don't download, but rather print it, then you must go through the tortuous route taken by Arpiao's team.

But that doesn't prove there is no real, authentic document of Obama's birth. All it proves is that the document published on website is a forgery. In my book, Obama sent people on a wild goose chase with the purpose of discrediting them. Note again: Arpiao examined a digitized copy, not the original paper claimed to be true Obama's birth certificate.

[Rhodes]

I reason the whole thing boils down to this:
We do not have any idea who this man may be, where he was born, nothing.
And that is just start as we all know.

We can be sure of one thing absolutely, something is being hidden for there is no other reason under the sun to commit this fraud otherwise.

[kevin kiernan]

I would imagine Trump has a group of investigators working this issue behind the scenes..Once he is sworn in, he can open up many things. I myself am interested in Obama`s college records. I have a sneaky suspicion he applied for a grant under the foreign student loan program. And then while at the first school in California he got a transfer under Barack O. But Barry Soetoro was the name used on the foreign exchange doc....Just a gut feeling.

[kevin kiernan]

Very interesting stuff...https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/10/14/obamas-occidental-c...

[Hankelvis]

Satan would not have a birth certificate if he was cast out of heaven onto the earth.