ABOUT JACK

[kevin kiernan]

This is an open message about our site Troll Jack Ludwig. As we have seen this man absolutely piss everyone off on this site. Let me just say, that he is trying to get us to bounce him ,so he can say that we shut his 1st A. rights down He has kept his posts in bounds of site rules.. He is the perfect example of a Troll. I urge everyone to use him to let out your frustrations and go after him without going to far over the line...Jack you have been a good progressive troll.I was on you from the beginning. Now everyone has seen the truth of it. The light has been shinned on your evilness.. As the election comes down to a few days left. I will bounce Jack off the site, This way at the time of most pressure about the election, we will not be bothered by him.And hopefully we will celebrate a Trump victory with out his crap.I will allow him back after the election, and after a site vote. Jack ,you brought this on yourself.. And to all the members..XXXX season is open....HAPPY XXXTING.

[Virginia Foulk]

Kevin, we don't need this - unless you are trying to out-the First amendment.

From my history - years ago, I tried to stay with a group - meeting one a month. It was supposed to be both Dem & GOP. The original idea? To find ways we could agree and try to help build a better relationship on our Madison's neighborhoods.

Went well for several months, then the name-calling, disagreements started. It was only a few, but I said enough and left. Soon there was no more meetings. What a shame. The ones who tried so hard, had the right stuff, were over-ridden by a few who took over and destroyed it. By the way, it turned out those few didn't belong to any party.

Though I disagree With Jack - a lot - I find some of his information a start for me to check out; when I have time. 

So my suggestion - if you don't like what he posts, state your reason why, but lay off the names; then drop the interaction. Not necessary. 

My husband's health is failing - he can't do much of what he used to and I'm having to take over the heavy lifting,. He is now resorting to name-calling for the smallest things like where is the hammer, or why is the door open.  My response to him is "GROW UP"  After 50 some years, I no longer back down. 

  

[jack ludwig]

I always appreciate your support Virginia. Life and happiness will continue in spite of the hateful will that kevin must display.

[kevin kiernan]

Virginia, You need to not get involved here with this situation. You do not understand what Jack is about. You are to nice to be in this. You do not see what his job is here. He is a internet troll. He is disruptive to our mission. Just because he does not cus or demonize anyone ,does not make him right. I would hope you stay focused and stay with the posts you want to talk about. Please do not stick up for this disgusting man. Jack is very disruptive to the members here. 

[charles royer]

Virginia with all due respect.There is no longer both D & R in the progressive agenda. Just look at the last 7 years of the senate under oboma biden , ried!

jack is by any definition a troll. Hope he stays on after the TRUMP landslide so we can thrash him!

[jack ludwig]

Charles if you understood what an internet troll was you would know I don't meet those qualifications. If you are so sure Trump is going to win why are you so afraid to have me around? Continue trashing me as you have after all we only have 50 more days before the election and then you can say I told you so. The real reason you don't want me around is because you can't answer one question I pose to everyone's comments when I disagree with them. Let's use one of Trump's comments, what do you have to lose? When Trump loses in 50 days you won't have a good excuse why he lost....it will be the same old crap, blaming everyone else but yourself. I will be the first to step up and say I was wrong should Trump win and not be ashamed to admit I was wrong. The difference is I learn from the mistakes I make in life and I am not afraid to admit when I make a mistake. Can you say the same? The difference between you and Virginia she is not afraid to stand up for her views she is not threatened by no one, which includes me who she often disagrees with my view.

[charles royer]

why are you so afraid to have me around?
Jack you can't read!
"Hope he stays on" Just sayin!

[jack ludwig]

Kevin, since you are the moderator you can do as you please. You have no idea what my purpose is and calling me a progressive troll just demonstrates how little you know about me or my purpose. I am not hear to piss off anyone. I am hear to share my views with hopes the conservative movement will begin to make some positive progress. In my view your contribution to these discussions have not been very helpful or do they strive to develop a winning strategy. You are full of hate and anger and those two traits will never win over the majority of logical thinking people. It is a childish act for you to band me from the site but as most spoiled children do they will act on their bad behavior. Do as you wish Kevin, your words or mine will not change the election outcome. 

[M]

I really don't see what the problem is. If you don't like what he says ignore what he says. It's not worth it to get worked up over certain forms of Rhetoric. Kevin, a suggestion; instead of bouncing him, lets see if he melts down when Trump wins.

M

[Virginia Foulk]

M, I also didn't see a problem, just a difference of opinion. I believe that name calling turns others off. If a visitor was reviewing this forum and noticed that, would that person consider joining? Just my thoughts.(And I really liked the Tea Party's "Stop This Insanity forum" - but members became fewer and fewer. Then it was gone. I sure wouldn't like this forum to disappear.)

 By the way, I like how you have been responding to Jack's posts.  Nice. 

[jack ludwig]

M has always been courteous to me when he responds to my comments even though he greatly disagrees with my point of view. I greatly appreciate M's adult behavior and I always respect his opinion. There is no time I can recall where M reverted to name calling to try to discredit my argument. Instead he would acknowledge the points he agreed with but added additional comments to challenge those few exceptions. It's called adult dialogue, exchanging views to find common ground.    

[charles royer]

That's what I've been saying M.

[Virginia Foulk]

I believe this discussion should be removed. It is counter to what I believe this site promotes. Discourse and learning and open-mined discussions.