More Democratic Socialist Spin On Voter Fraud?

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Source; http://www.vox.com/2016/4/6/11377078/voter-id-republicans-grothman?...

Let's listen to the video then take the Progressive Socialist Democrat side apart. My comments are interspersed through the article in parenthesis and in bold face type.

On Tuesday, Rep. Glenn Grothman (R-WI) got a bit too real about the effect Wisconsin's voter ID law may have on the 2016 presidential election.

Asked about how Ted Cruz or Donald Trump could win Wisconsin in the general election, Grothman said, "I think Hillary Clinton is about the weakest candidate the Democrats have ever put up. And now we have photo ID, and I think photo ID is going to make a little bit of a difference as well."

The last sentence is eye-opening. Republicans have long said that voter ID laws, which typically require a state-issued photo ID to vote, are about preventing voter fraud. But Democrats have long argued that voter ID laws, which hit Democratic constituents like minority voters the hardest, are actually about tilting elections in Republicans' favor.

( It does not seem to bother the Democrats that when it's in their favor they applaud it and even get a judge to rule that Republicans can't even investigate any fraud on the Democrats part. See; http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/gop-legally-barred-from-fighting-vote-fr...  The case is the Democratic National Committee vs. the Republican Nation...  because a race-based consent decree negotiated by Democrats against the Republican National Committee a generation ago still has tied the RNC’s hands, and GOP officials could be cited for contempt – or worse – if they try to make sure American elections are clean. The judge, Dickinson Debevoise, appointed by Jimmy Carter, later retired but decided he would continue to control the case. The decision requires the RNC – but not the DNC- to “refrain from undertaking any ballot security activities in polling places or election districts where the racial or ethnic composition of such districts is a factor in the decision to conduct, or the actual conduct of, such activities there. In fact that Judge returns for one day each year to re-issue that order.

Grothman seems to confirm that Democrats are at least partly right. And this isn't the first time this has happened; several Republicans have made similar comments in the past.

But a more charitable reading of Grothman's comment is that he believes voter fraud is more likely to benefit Democrats, so measures that prevent voter fraud are also more likely to hurt Democrats. In 2012, he said something along these lines: "Insofar as there are inappropriate things, people who vote inappropriately are more likely to vote Democrat."

( You make your own decision on this one being accurate)

In-person voter fraud is practically nonexistent:

Despite Grothman's claim, there's no reason to believe that in-person voter fraud is swinging elections in Democrats' favor.

The type of in-person voter fraud that typical voter ID laws target is nonexistent to extremely rare. Loyola Law School professor Justin Levitt has tracked credible allegations of in-person voter fraud for years, finding 35 total credible allegations between 2000 and 2014, when more than 800 million ballots were cast in national general elections and hundreds of millions more were cast in primary, municipal, special, and other elections.

( I really question the veracity of this section. How much Spin is put on it? Does this include the allegations of voter fraud on the voting machines which were shown to be incredibly easy to become compromised by an inputted viral program that changed the voters votes and then at the end of the voting the program would wipe out itself and could only be found by a thorough forensic investigation of the machines.)

The kinds of voter fraud that do happen are absentee voting, vote buying, insider ballot-box stuffing, double voting, and voting by people who turn out to be ineligible. The New York Times's Jim Rutenberg reported on a 1997 case in which it was revealed that Miami Mayor Xavier Suárez clinched his electoral victory "with the help of hundreds of absentee ballots bearing the names of dead people, felons and other ineligible voters." While Suárez was never charged, he was eventually forced to step down from office after an appellate court threw out the absentee ballots.

 

In fact, Republicans have accused some groups of planning or carrying out these types of voter fraud. During and after President Barack Obama's 2008 election, conservatives took aim at the New Black Panther Party (which isn't affiliated with the original Black Panther Party) and the community organizing group ACORN with various accusations that they engaged in voter fraud.

( Consider this, is it voter Fraud when someone is intimidated to not vote under threat or implied threat of violence? Can that be detected on the Ballots?)

But voter ID laws don't address the types of fraud that do happen. In fact, some voter ID measures, such as North Carolina's controversial law, actually make it easier to vote by absentee ballot.

( This instance is where the citizens need to step up and examine the registered voters in their precincts and compare the addresses with the DMV records, and especially the Death Records. They can even try to see if there has been any address changes at the post office for their registered voter lists.Finally they can form enough groups of four people who will cover four or six blocks each in their precincts and knock on doors to see if the registered voters are really there.)

In other words, Grothman is either making a misleading claim about voter fraud and Democrats' victories in the presidential elections or he's revealing a dark side to the motive behind voter ID laws.

( It's immaterial either way. What is pertinent is the people need to get off their collective butts and actually participate in the process to insure that any voter fraud is held to the absolute minimum as is humanly possible, and eliminating the need to "Investigate Voter Fraud" by either party.)

[Virginia Foulk]

Well, Glenn Grothman is correct. During the recall Walker campaign, many, many Illinois and other state (mostly Union members) came up here and signed the petition to recall Walker. I spotted several Illinois cars in Sauk and there were many lined up to sign petitions - the Dems had a special signing booth. I walked over there, and they asked me to sign a petition. I absolutely refused and explained just why. Not sure if it did any good, but I also pointed out that teenagers, were not legally allowed to sign these petitions or help gather them. Also, I discovered 3 teenagers going house to house gathering signers. That also was illegal.  And I wrote a letter to the local newspaper about that.

Then in Milwaukee it came out that homeless were being given cigarettes and cash to vote.  Several were discovered.

I checked on my mom's voting record. She lived in Waunakee, and Sun Prairie after Dad died. Discovered her name in both places. She had died a year before. Then 3 gals were charged with voting more than 1 time. One gal voted 6 times. She said that if given a chance, she'd do it again.

I do like it that independents can vote either party without checking party labels. We cannot vote within both parties of course.

 

[Virginia Foulk]

Brown County is now investigating several cases of voter fraud. Interesting.