HAVE THE BATTLELINES ALREADY BEEN DRAWN?

[paul thompson]

According to an article on Count Us Out (h/t ladyhawkke) a law firm in Chicago with ties to Obama had already discussed the "natural born citizen" issue as far back as 2006.
To me this reveals alot of information of the intent Barack Obama has. Claiming that Art. 2 Sec. 1 is discriminatory to millions of Americans and needs to be ammended for fairness does not excuse the actions that have transpired and led to this moment. Is Barack going to challenge the Supreme Court based on discrimination? If this is the case, he has perpetually commited fraud in an attempt to ammend the Constitution. Should the Supreme Court overturn the election it seems clear that there will be a huge outcry that he was discriminated against regardless of the fraud he and others have done to get us to this point.
Our founding fathers were well aware to what this provision means but were they aware that it would be needed 230 yrs. later?
So the lines were already drawn years ago.

Read this: Amending the Natural Born Citizen Requirement
It is obvious BO is not natural born or his friends wouldn’t be trying so hard to make him one.
http://www.patriotbrigaderadio.com/barracks/index.php?topic=250.0 :



If the Facts Don’t Support the Theory, Destroy the Facts

Comment left by: CreativeOgre:

While digging my way through the Internet last night, I came across the following paper, written by SARAH P. HERLIHY. It’s title

AMENDING THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN REQUIREMENT: GLOBALIZATION AS THE IMPETUS AND THE OBSTACLE

caught my eye, and had to read it…

http://lawreview.kentlaw.edu/articles/81-1/Herlihy.pdf

I had to ask myself, what would drive any American to want to change a clause in a document that is the very foundation of our government?
So, I kept digging, and found that SARAH P. HERLIHY is employed by Kirkland & Ellis LLP http://www.kirkland.com

Noting that this law firm is based in Chicago, the light bulb was shining a little brighter . Upon looking at the firm, and the partners, I found that
Bruce I. Ettelson, P.C., is Member of finance committees of U.S. Senators Barack Obama and Richard Durbin.

http://www.kirkland.com/sitecontent.cfm … temID=7845 (towards bottom of the page)

In addition, Jack S. Levin, P.C., another partner who, in December 2002 was presented the ” Illinois Venture Capital Association’s lifetime achievement award for service to the private equity/venture capital community” presented by Sen. Barack Obama

So it sure looks like Obama’s people have looked into the matter of “Natural born” as far back as early 2006. What is even more disturbing is that it would appear that they are following the thought of :

“If the facts do not support the theory, Destroy the facts!”

Here is the introduction to the paper… It looks like a road map for Obama’s defense lawyers…And a precursor to a Socialist world.

AMENDING THE NATURAL BORN CITIZEN REQUIREMENT: GLOBALIZATION AS THE IMPETUS AND THE OBSTACLE
SARAH P. HERLIHY∗
INTRODUCTION
The natural born citizen requirement in Article II of the United States Constitution has been called the “stupidest provision” in the Constitution,1 “undecidedly un American,”2 “blatantly discriminatory,”3 and the “Constitution’s worst provision.”4 Since Arnold Schwarzenegger’s victory in the California gubernatorial recall election of 2003, commentators and policy-makers have once again started to discuss whether Article II of the United States Constitution should be amended to render naturalized citizens eligible for the presidency.5 Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution defines the eligibility requirements for an individual to become president. Article II provides:
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Of-fice who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.6
Although these sixty-two words are far from extraordinary, the natural born citizen provision is controversial because it prevents over 12.8 million Americans from being eligible for the presidency.7 In addition to Governor Schwarzenegger, the natural born citizen clause prohibits many other prominent Americans from becoming president, including Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm,8 former Secretaries of State Madeleine Albright and Henry Kissinger, Labor Secretary Elaine Chao,9 and over 700 Medal of Honor Winners.10 Even though many of these individuals have served in high political positions or fought in a war on behalf of America, they are not able to become president simply because they were not born in the United States.11
The natural born citizen clause of the United States Constitution should be repealed for numerous reasons. Limiting presidential eligibility to natural born citizens discriminates against naturalized citizens, is out-dated and undemocratic, and incorrectly assumes that birthplace is a proxy for loyalty. The increased globalization of the world continues to make each of these reasons more persuasive. As the world becomes smaller and cultures become more similar through globalization, the natural born citi-zen clause has increasingly become out of place in the American legal sys-tem. However, even though globalization strengthens the case for a Constitutional amendment, many Americans argue against abolishing the requirement. In a recent USA Today/CNN/Gallup Poll taken November 19–21, 2004, only 31% of the respondents favored a constitutional amendment to abolish the natural born citizen requirement while 67% opposed such an amendment.12 Although some of the reasons for maintaining the natural born citizen requirement are rational, many of the reasons are based primarily on emotion. Therefore, although globalization is one impetus that should drive Americans to rely on reason and amend the Constitution, this paper argues that common perceptions about globalization ironically will convince Americans to rely on emotion and oppose a Constitutional amendment.
Part one of this paper provides a brief history and overview of the natural born citizen requirement. Part two discusses the rational reasons for abolishing this requirement and describes why the increase in globalization makes abolishing the natural born citizen requirement more necessary than ever. Part three presents the arguments against allowing naturalized citizens to be eligible for the presidency and identifies common beliefs about glob-alization that will cause Americans to rely on emotion and oppose a Constitutional amendment.

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[Reecie]

JOHN, I am more than interested in restoring our Country and will do all within my little power to help anyone that is on the same link.

[John A Dummett Jr]

Like Cicero I whisper into the ears of anyone who will listen 'The Republic, The Republic,"
It usually falls on deaf ears because there aren't too many citizens out there who paid attention in
government class but were too interested in who they were sitting next to and if they would be able to date them. I have decided to stop yelling at the TV and radio and have decided to run for State Senator for California. I will be running on a Reagan Conservative platform to try and get this nation back to the way it was. There are more conservatives in this nation and we can take it back if we unify and all call for a return to the Republic form of government. If you are with me , write back and I will list a dozen or so things that will restore our nation. If you like what you read I will need all of your support.

[JJ]

Pete, I'm only 58 and this is no longer the country I grew up in either.
All I can say is "Let justice be done, though the heavens fall"

[Pete]

Thats all well and good. However,I have been talking to a lot of younger people 22 to 40 They could care less about our Constitution, I'm sure you have heard it.
The Fall of Democracy

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When the thirteen colonies were still a part of England, Professor Alexander Tyler wrote about the fall of the Athenian republic over two thousand years previous to that time:

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage.

Alexander Tyler.

I think thats exactly where we are today. I'm 70, the country that I grew up in no longer exists.

Pete Behling





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Most recent revision November 2000 ording to them its time to be amended. Here is a quote..

[swimkin]

They may be trying to change it but so far it hasn't been presented as an amendment to the constitution. It has not been changed so SCOTUS should decide his eligibility to serve based on our present constitution and the amendments.

There is some mention of natural born citizenship in a case that was cited during the 14th Amendment in US vs Wong Kim Ark. Basically as I understand this from Donofrio who mentioned this the other night on Plains radio is that the court did not call children born here from foreign parents as natural citizens, but rather they used the term of "native citizens" which is a completely different term from a "Natual born citizen" . This is a very helpful distinction of terms to support the Donofrio case in that Obama was born to one foreign parent and one natural born parent. He said Obama's father has other loyalties to another country and he passed those loyalties on to his son, Obama when he was born. So as long as Obama lived he would still have ties to another country due to his fathers ties. So even if Obama was born in HI, he could not be called a Natural born citizen. That term according to Donofrio on Plains radio on Thursday evening should only be relegated to children born in this country to parents who also were born in this country. Also this term was the one our constitutional authors wanted to keep just for our president and vice president nominees who were born AFTER the constitution was written. These are the only positions in our government that specifically requires that the candidates hold a status of Natural born citizenship.