In 2018, Stop the Liars and the Lies the Lying Liars Lie

[T Amnesia]

Let's resolve this year to be done with the liars in Washington and stop defending the lies they spread like warm peanut butter on hot toast.  Lies like, well, anything that falls out of Sarah Sanders word-hole.

Sarah Huckabee Sanders is a liar by proxy for any number of White House liars, who spends her days repeating their lies or, sometimes in fits of fantasy, makes up her own lies, none of which bear any resemblance to the reality that the rest of us are living in.  The deficit is bad, needs to be reduced, the Dems must stop increasing the deficit,... ...wait.... yes, this tax bill will.....no, it will not increase the deficit by 18 trillion dollars over the average liar's lifetime as the Fake News is reporting.....

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She is in fact, a Liar by profession.  She gets paychecks to lie, in public, on camera, to people whose job it is to repeat her lies to us, the general public, and when she stops lying, she will be fired.   You know it, I know it, she knows it, the White House knows it. 

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Not a word of what she parrots to us is ever, ever true. If she says the president said this or that, it is not true.  She talks to the president something like never and has no clue regarding his thoughts on any topic, and is certainly lying when she is telling us that Trump meant "this" when we all heard him say "THAT!"

[Mangus Colorado]

Marrand,

Lies are intentional subterfuge. Obama lied much more than most Presidents. If you like your plan you can keep it, if you like your doctors you can keep them, the average family of 4 will save $ 2400 per year on health insurance?  I can go on but now let us look at the subterfuge from Trump - 

Trump towers has been communication tapped  - (turned out he was correct, ISIS can be destroyed and he would do it? Tax cuts will stimulate the economy and grow wages? There are others but the point is made MSM said these were all lies?

[marrand]

Mangus,
I know, everyone knows, that Obama lied on these important issues.

My point was different. NYT published statements by Trump and Obama which were merely wrong and bragging, not lies. Obama had plenty of those kind as well , not only outright lies. NYT’s point was to redefine lying, so that they and their faithful followers can call Trump a liar and get away with it. That’s how fake narratives are born.

[M]

Marrand,

For my part, I do believe that opposing viewpoints are guaranteed by Article 1 of the Constitution and as it says in the rules of this site attack the politics and agendas not the person. T Amnesty has been diligent in that and has stated her points without attacking directly the other person unless I have missed something or others have not chosen to alert me to it. As you can see I disagree with her views as she does with mine and so do others.But, I will not curtail another persons views because I disagree with no matter how vehemently I may or may not disagree, as long as they obey my rules for my site.

I know that was an overlong answer but it's also what this site stands for. I only wish the liberal sites felt this way too.

[marrand]

You are right M, of course. You set your own rules and are following them. But do you have a rule where you, the owner of this site, is obligated to engage any fool who posts here? As long as there are no personal attacks or foul language? That's why I was puzzled by your attempts to respond to T amnesia.

Virginia explained her motivation rather nicely. I used to get bored too and engaged lefty clowns for my entertainment.

M, regarding your postings re voting records and what they mean. When a conservative states that majority of the people voted to undo the damage Obama did to our country, the talking point answer - formalized and promoted by the liberal media - is that Hillary got more votes than Trump. They blindly repeat this statistic completely unaware of what they are rebutting - they just follow what they are told to think. (PS: that's how fake narratives are born).

You see M, the observation that anti-liberal vote total is over 50% is obtained by simply counting all the votes for every candidate cast and noting their political positions. The conclusion is obvious: the majority weren't buying what Obama has been selling them. The liberal elite know that; they will not advertise it in order to keep their sheep in liine and not frustrate them needlessly.

You, instead, tried to dig into the weeds of voting records; but that was too tedious for me. I rather stick to plain old arithmetic.

One more point. You lament that liberal sites don't allow freedom of expression. Well, NYT does. They had been publishing my posts in comments sections for decades, including the one about the 50%+ rejection of Obama agenda. The editors weren't afraid of my claim; they knew their readers are very well trained to see and hear ONLY what they are told to see and hear.

Now, tell me again why I should pay any attention to what T Amnesia posts. :)
(Did you say T Amnesty???)

[M]

Marrand, I have no rule that compels me to respond to anyone who posts here.The rules can be accessed from the main page by clicking on the link there.

As to digging into a subject, I like to back my opinions up with posted information I believe to be correct.Another talking point answer is "There was no Voter Fraud"but the Democrats got a Liberal Judge to pass a ruling against the Republican party that denies them the right to challenge over fraud because The Republican Party made an agreement 30 years ago with the Democrat Party NOT to ensure voting integrity and NOT to pursue suspected vote fraud. (http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/gop-legally-barred-from-fighting-vote-fr...  ) and retired Judge Deveboise comes back to the benck one day every year to reissue his order.

Actually Marrand I did screw up and say T amnesty because I was working on a piece about possible amnesty the Trump administration could ok.  Other than that 

[T Amnesia]

Thank you, M.  I too, appreciate a good debate of thought and do my best to exhibit a modicum of control when frustrated.  Sometimes I'm not as successful as I would like, but I try. 

Also, how did you determine I am female?  I'm very careful not to give any indication one way or another, yet you found me out!  What was it that gave me away?

[M]

T. I am uncanny that way??? If you believe that I got some good bottom land in Florida to sell.LOL. Just a good guess based on how you express yourself.

[Virginia Foulk]

In regards Wisconsin, doesn't matter about the 5,000. This was just an a occurrence, and it wasn't for Trump. It was for both.  But earlier, when Obama won, there were votes being bought in Madison for Obama - with cigarettes, for Pete's sake. And I also encountered nasty threats when I was only trying to get a special permit from our Capital. This was during the staged re-call Walker programs (still going on, by the way.)  I was actually threatened and couldn't get into the Capital. Finally, I was able to sidestep a bunch and found a guard. When I came back out, I decided enough was enough and walked around the square - yelling back against their "Recall Walker."  Even had to ask an Illinois Union worker what the H--- was he doing interfering in Wisconsin's election rights.  Fortunately, I'd parked my car several blocks away, so walked back without much problem. The anger was mainly in the square. (I'm still angry about the experiences, but we still won..   

[marrand]

Wow, Virginia, I had no idea you went though abuse like that. Seems like Wisconsin has very many good and determined people like you to take the state control away from the liberals.

Did you say the staged re-call Walker programs are still goind on? Are you serious? Won't the liberals ever face reality and give up? Do they really enjoy being repeatedly deceived?

[Virginia Foulk]

They still have gatherings in the square (they called themselves singers); but I've not been up there the last few years. I stay the heck out of Madison, even with a conceal carry, I'd be scared that someone much bigger than I am would overcome me and take my gun.  By the way, I got a ticket for not paying the meter that day even though The times on the ticket did not match my meter, by 2 hours. Seems someone was not being very nice. Oh well. Didn't notice it right away, so had to pay it.  I also had someone tell me that I should get my teeth fixed. Right - cost would be over $12,000.00 for what I needed. I told them that would be very nice and surely they would be happy to help me pay for the service. Guess what. They shut up and turned away from me.

You know what really bothered me? My own mistake. Those of us standing against the "recall Walker" group  as we walked from the Capital building were reciting Walker for Gov. And I found myself starting to say "recall Walker." Had to shut my mouth and start over. Yuck.. Seems it becomes very easy to be swept into a situation that you really do not believe in. And I believe that our young people are going through that right now.

I did get the permit that I wanted, but got suckered into the mess. Anyway, glad I did let some of them know how I felt about their trashing and taking over our Capital. (Some of them thought it was a toilet for them and a that they had a right to take over the first floor.)

They actually went to the Walker family home and caused problems for the Walker family and the other families who also lived on the same street.

[marrand]

Virginia,
We should be thankful for people like you who went thru near hell to fiight for your principles. Frankly, I would have been scared to go through what you experienced. I wouldn't have the courage to face the threatening protesters chanting "recall Walker". Especially today, when the liberals wear masks (some call them antifa) and are ready to punch anyone carrying for Trump sign. I don't want to wind up in hospital - perhaps like a coward I will hide in the voting booth and have my say there.

[M]

Marramd, I believe it's Union Driven and will continue to be until Walker is out and their pick is in.