Trump will clean house

[kevin kiernan]

Crooked politicians must be held accountable for the crimes they have done. Trump is the only one who will do it. To elect a POTUS who will not prioritize fixing our criminal political system will not be good enough for me.We will not get another one like Trump ,who will bitch slap the evil out of Washington politics..No one can deny that Trump is crazy enough to do it. But he needs us to want it fixed. He can not stand alone..This is that time in history. The time that many have hoped. Turn your back on this opportunity,and we are done. THAT IS THE TRUTH OF IT.

[M]

Besides America already has enacted such a law

[John S Hutchinson]

M,

First off sorry for the very late response to your post.

M, you, nor I nor anyone has the right or authority to decide what is and is not a religion. So your total stance is wrong and flies in the face of all but those that side with you in sharing that opinion.

All forms of religion are a belief. Perhaps that is why their are 55,000 variations of Christianity (and counting). Simply because most Christians do not agree in lock step fashion and rightfully so. So their are over 55K variations of Christianity all based on an equal number of beliefs.

As for the Muslims siding with the National Socialist during WWII your correct, they did. But there were also a few Christian Beliefs that also sided with the NAZI's in support of their important work in punishing those responsible for murdering Jesus, One of them is called the Catholic Church,  that belief system only discontinued the practice about 1920 of rounding up Jews on Easter, beating them, humiliating them and then tying several of them backwards on an ass and leading them around the Vatican three times as the faithful hurled rotten food and an occasional stone at them.

And your opinion on the Islamic faith is your right, but you are wrong. Your not going to win any points or gain any ground being as wrong as the other side.   Besides there are lots, more than enough factual reasons to questions the actions and justifications of the other side.

Thanks

[kevin kiernan]

John, the reason we are here is to save our constitutional republic....Not to learn to be open minded and be excepting of other ways and laws of living. We do not want to change others from living how they want .or by the laws they want to live by...If they want to except our way then they can come here and change if they want. But they need to check their ways at the gate.

[John S Hutchinson]

Sorry Kevin but your statement make no sense and actually defeats itself.

No one said we had to learn to be open minded, those are your words; not my own.

And in order to preserve our Constitutional Rights we have to have the freedom of belief in what ever religion we "believe" in. Your statement argues that they must change their ways? Do you mean change their religion? How does one have a faith and then change it and have faith in another belief? Sorry, that makes no sense, we are talking about peoples core beliefs not underwear.

You say your here, or "we" are here to save our Constitutional Rights but to do so we have to refuse some people the freedom of religion and the freedom of expression? Well, perhaps you plan on sacrificing half the constitution in order the save the other half Kevin?

And put the shoe on the other foot Kevin. What if a majority of Hindu's stated that a minority of Christians in America had to give up their beliefs because the Hindu majority passed a law making Christianity illegal? Would you change your religion and sport an orange prayer robe?

No, you would resist, defy, and if it came to it fight an unjust law. And I would stand shoulder to shoulder with you in that fight.

So this law your promoting is only a tyrannical attempt by one group to grab authority over other groups based on a percentage of popular support and no grounds for justification under the very Constitution you claim to uphold.

"Sometimes Kevin, when your passions overtake your sense of reason and caution you race headlong into the fray only to find yourself on the opposite side of yourself and the only way to look your enemy in the face is in a mirror.

[kevin kiernan]

When a religion is wrapped around becoming the only religion ,and itself makes no room for other. Then it must be defeated. That is unless you are willing to change your beliefs. Islam law goes against our constitution. They are the ones not willing to adapt to our constitutional laws,..But John I have no intention of arguing with you...I do not like talking to walls.Your love of arguing ,for the sake of arguing is clear.....Immigration WITHOUT assimilation is an invasion.They come here and take over a community and live by their own laws. They do not integrate .  They create NO GO ZONES.

[M]

John,

Can you not see that the totality of Islam would deny all others that which you so cherish; Freedom of Religion, Equal Protection under the Law, The ending of Constitutional Law that would be supplanted by their Sharia concept that allows Slavery both servitude and sexual. Islam is the antithesis of our Constitutional Freedoms and Liberties. It's not a Religion, it's a complete Dictatorial life style and they are ordered to kill anyone who decided to change from it to another Religion.  As you stated putting the shoe on the other foot, that is exactly what Islam would do and intends to do all over the world. 

This is what Islam really is;

This is what you are defending as a Religion. The Quran demands all Muslims follow it's dictates to the letter, and if they don't they are considered apostate or heretics and are to be killed. Incidentally, there is no such thing as Moderate, Liberal, Fundamental Muslim. Islam and its teachings are fixed and final.

Some quotes from their Quran;

“The only religion in the sight of God is Islam” (Qur’an 3:19) By most conservative counts, the Quran contains over 100 passages that call Muslims to take up arms against unbelievers in the name of Allah. “Kill them [unbelievers] wherever you find them… And fight them until there is no more unbelief and worship is for Allah alone” (Quran 2:191-193) 

“Strike off their heads and strike from them every fingertip” (Quran 8:12).

“The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah” (Sahih Muslim 1:33).

‘Blessed are you when you persecute,’ (Quran 9:111).

‘Go and kill’ (Quran 47:3-4).

‘Fight until you are victorious’ (Quran 61:9).

The Quran also says directly;

‘He it is Who has sent His Messenger, with guidance and the religion of truth, that He may make it prevail over all other religions.‘ Al-Taubah, 33; Al-Fath, 29; Al-Saff, 10

This is a portion of what they will replace the Constitution with if they achieve superiority of numbers and control government like they are charged to do;

Sharia Law

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Sharia law is the law of Islam. The Sharia (also spelled Shari'a or Shariah) law is cast from the words of Muhammad, called "hadith," his actions, called "sunnah," and the Quran, which he dictated. The Sharia law itself cannot be altered but its interpretation, called "fiqh," by muftis (Islamic jurists) is given some latitude.

As a legal system, the Sharia law is exceptionally broad. While other legal codes regulate public behavior, the Sharia law regulates public behavior, private behavior, and even private beliefs. Compared to other legal codes, the Sharia law also prioritizes punishment over rehabilitation and favors corporal and capital punishments over incarceration. Of all legal systems in the world today, the Sharia law is the most intrusive and restrictive, especially against women. According to the Sharia law (see links for details):

• Theft is punishable by amputation of the hands (Quran 5:38).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah is punishable by death (see Allah moon god).
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death (See Compulsion).
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A woman or girl who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• Testimonies of 4 male witnesses are required to prove rape of a female (Quran 24:13).
• A woman or girl who alleges rape without producing 4 male witnesses is guilty of adultery.
• A woman or girl found guilty of adultery is punishable by death (see "Islamophobia").
• A male convicted of rape can have his conviction dismissed by marrying his victim.
• Muslim men have sexual rights to any woman/girl not wearing the Hijab(see Taharrush).
• A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination (see Quran 4:34 and Religion of Peace).
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a wife needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits (see Mathematics in Quran).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to eat must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be "Halal."
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.

Are you beginning to get it John?

[John S Hutchinson]

Kevin,

And what version of our way are you referring to?

Justification and the practice of slavery,

Placing millions of women in Serfdom and servitude to men for they are of a lessor value and intelligence?

Using genocide to get rid of the American Indians that just happened to be in the way?

The murder of 12,000 Irish men, women and children immigrants digging the canal in the New Orleans French Quarter. The bones are still beneath the houses along what is now called Canal Street in the Quarter.

The practice of indentured servitude that my own GGG Grandfather was enslaved under for half his life for a voyage from France?

All the above were are ways but not anymore, and that is because "Our Way" has evolved. I am not saying we change America to satisfy the whims of Immigrants; only that we treat our opinions like a loaded firearm; aim before you shoot.  

[kevin kiernan]

Exactly John aim before we shoot....Take careful aim at the Jihad Muslim`s and fire.

[kevin kiernan]

PS....I do not live under a rock. Nor behind some Rose colored glasses. ....GET REAL with your philosophical self John....I wish things could be nice IF you were right....If IF`s and BUT`s, were candy and nuts. Oh what a Christmas it would be !!!

[John S Hutchinson]

Exactly Kevin, you would have a lot more powerful message if you were real about it all. Your a smart fellow, you know what your doing is wrong, but it serves your objective of spreading your message to the ill informed.

There are extremist everywhere and in all religions.

There is a very important message to be told, and very important reasons for it. But posts like yours that belittle another's religion is counter to that message and on par with the extremist Mullahs screaming for the death of Christians, Jews and Hindu's.

You know when the TP movement began it pulled in Millions and for the right reasons. But little by little some members chose to turn to attacks on the faith of others, attack minorities and the like. And what happened?

In the first few years of the TP movement there were a good many blacks, people of other faiths, Hispanics, even Homosexuals. That dear Kevin is a sound foundation of a movement that can effect real change in a nation.

But little by little messages like your own and that of others destroyed the foundation of the Tea Party Movement. A crime was committed by a Black American and for the next six weeks thousands of posts on every transgression committed by a black on a white was plastered all over the threads. What pray tell do you think many blacks at first and all in the end chose to do? They voted with their feet and left the movement. Same story played out in regard to Hispanics, Homosexuals, Legal Immigrants, and on and on.

Pretty soon the Tea Party lost its momentum, got labeled as a white racist movement with millions of posts the trolls copied and used as proof positive that everyone that was a member of the TP was a radical Christian racist homophobe that just want to bring back slavery.

And the only reason all that happened was because a few decided to hijack the TPM for their own cause and post their phobias and fears for all to see.

You don't need to try to steer me Kevin, it is I who is trying to get you to understand that you and some others are signing the death warrant for this page and others. And with the Honorable President Trump now sitting on the Bone Throne there has never been a better time to push forward the Fiscal and Conservative Agenda by getting others, Blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, Homosexuals and more to join our cause and stop fighting against it.

[Virginia Foulk]

I belong to no religion, but believe in God. What do you call me, John. Anyway, any so-called religion like Islam scares the heck out me. And yes, there are some religions using Christianity as their base, but really. What are they?  I attended a Jehovah's Witness group when I was young. Brought in by a friend.  We did some very interesting learning programs, but you know. I wasn't really into the whole thing. Putting together murals, and drawing wonderful pictures while hearing about God and Mary and Jesus.  Some of that training is still with me, and when I'm out hunting in the woods, or working in my garden, I can feel that God is watching over me. 

So religion, as long as it shares the goodness of people, then go for it. But others, like Islam, is truly not a religion. As for Muslims, so far I've not had to interact with them, though have seen a few women covered up. I will fight back against any law that enforces Muslim law and sure don't expect to wear any face covering or walk with my head down. I also will fight back if Dane County starts pushing Muslim communities in our area. It starts that way, then next you discover those same areas, parks included become their land. And we can no longer walk through or use the area. No way. Is that religion?

[John S Hutchinson]

Kevin, Hey thanks for sharing some of your personal background in regard to your religious beliefs. That is personal and it says a lot about you that you would be willing to share that with me and others. Thank you.

I grew up with a Baptist Father and a Catholic Mother in an area of Southern Louisiana where one town was Catholic and the next Baptist and the easiest was to get your head kicked in was to be caught in the wrong town after dark. According to my Catholic grandmother I would never enter haven for I had not been baptized Catholic. According to my fathers side my mother and I both needed to be cleansed in the waters of Blood River (google it) and baptized Baptist or we would both be deigned enter into the pearly gates. I will be honest with you, that is a lot for a six year old to handle for I was smart enough to realize that regardless which way it went I was going to burn in Hell and or starve outside some cold steel gate for eternity.

My Fathers Mother would take me to Baptist Revivals at the Walker Community Hall where all the women would be in the middle of the floor screaming and reaching for the sky as the preacher would tell them to reach up and touch the hand of God. The walls of the hall were covered with posters promoting all the Baptist churches and events in the area and one of them was encouraging young Arian girls and boys to join the KKK and become soldiers in Gods Army in the fight against impure breeds and the stain on Christianity that was the Negro.

So I grew up looking for answers to the questions living in a public housing project in Brownsville Texas where I was the only white boy in an all Hispanic area. So yeah, I fought my way to school, at school, and fought to get back home every day. Half way through the school year I would not have any clothes that had not been stitched up. Standing up to a mob is hard, running from one is fatal.

But I still was looking for answers. I studied Religion, Politics, Science and much more. Hell I actually read a complete set of encyclopedias from cover to cover, Twice. I just wanted to, Know Why; about everything outside that housing project and what & who was waiting for me on my way to school the next morning. And I wanted to know if life, my life would ever get better.

Joined the US Marine Corps, so I could do my part, serve my Country, and do my small part to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. Because during all those years of learning I did learn how priceless our rights are. I learned how rare America is! I also learned that America is not perfect, but far closer to perfection than any other nation in human history. And I learned that while mistakes had been made in our history America was self correcting, we can learn form our mistakes and improve upon them. We are better than our mistakes.

I also spend a lot of time in third world nations, with many cultures and religions. I actually spent three months on the island of Sumatra, Indonesia and during Ramadan. Surrounded by Muslims students I was teaching. When I left they spent a small fortune of their earnings to host a party for me. They had tears in their eyes and begged me to come back. One even wanted me ( a non Muslim) to marry his sister so we could be brother-in-laws.

What I learned in all this and a lot more Kevin is that we all have the potential to do good great things or evil ones. It is as simple as what side of bed we choose to roll out of bed in the morning.

Thanks Kevin